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by Sandrine Bailleux

Hi Alexei, On 6/15/20 2:18 PM, Alexei Fedorov via TF-A wrote: > I'm wondering why we need to integrate libfdt sources in TF-A? Why > cannot we use the same option as for MbedTls when the build system gets > the path to the preloaded source tree? As far as I know, the question is the other way around: why is mbed TLS not integrated in the TF-A source tree? If you look at the other external libraries used by TF-A (not just libfdt, but also compiler-rt library, zlib, ...), they all are integrated. As far as I am aware, there are several reasons for keeping these projects in the TF-A tree: 1) It is more developer-friendly. Whenever you clone the TF-A repo, you get all required dependencies at the same time, no need to pull them yourself. 2) It allows us to keep local modifications on top of mainline. Such modifications are sometimes necessary or make our life easier to integrate/interface the project with the rest of the TF-A code base. 3) We don't depend on the library project infrastructure. For example if their git server is down, this would not affect us, as we've got our own copy hosted on tf.org. Not sure this third reason was actually considered at the time the decision was made but I see this as a tiny bonus. Now 1) could be achieved some other way, for example we could add the dependent projects as git submodules and have a setup script that pulls them in. We did not go for this option at the time and I don't recall exactly why. It might just be because of the infrastructure/setup required to work with git submodules. So having these projects integrated in the TF-A source tree is the common practice in our project. As far as I am aware, the reason why we treat mbed TLS differently is because it is very security sensitive, thus it's important that people keep up to date with the latest version to get all latest vulnerability fixes. If we had imported it in the TF-A project, this would have put the onus on us to monitor mbed TLS for security fixes and push updates as soon as they become available. This was deemed impractical and too much responsibility for us at the time. Regards, Sandrine

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Announcing one new maintainer for the TF-A project

by Sandrine Bailleux

Hello all, I am glad to announce that Raghu Krishnamurthy has been appointed maintainer for the TF-A project. The maintainers list has been updated accordingly in the following patch: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/4582 Best regards, Sandrine

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Re: [TF-A] fconf: Validating config data

by Madhukar Pappireddy

Hi Raghu, We had a discussion internally about handling the mandatory and optional properties in fconf and we believe we can use the following approach. Please let us know if it is acceptable to you. As agreed over the mailing list, we treat the scenarios of a missing/incorrect mandatory property or a structurally bad dtb as an integration error and must lead to panic in runtime. It is the responsibility of the developer providing the populate callback to detect and return an error code in such scenarios. It will be treated as an unrecoverable error and further escalated to panic() by the fconf framework itself. An incorrect or missing optional property in a dtb should lead to a warning message and the boot loader should continue after assigning a default value to the specific property. Further, every property accessed by a populate callback should be clearly defined as either mandatory or optional in a fconf based binding document such as the one shown here [1]. This must be enforced in spirit as part of the code review process. We believe the callbacks can be categorized into two: Generic vs platform-specific. Generic callbacks are the ones that are required to support a standard component supported by platforms running TF-A such as TBBR, SDEI, IO Policy, GICv3, etc. Platform-specific callbacks are provided by platform developers to work with non-standard components such as a Proprietary Hardware IP. The binding document for generic populate callbacks should be provided by the TF-A project. The generic binding will become a contract for the platforms to implement the support for integrating standard components and hence, will be platform agnostic. Correspondingly, it is the responsibility of the platform developer to provide the binding for platform-specific populate callbacks. Any thoughts? [1] https://trustedfirmware-a.readthedocs.io/en/latest/components/fconf/fconf_p… Thanks, Madhukar -----Original Message----- From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Manish Badarkhe via TF-A Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:00 AM To: Raghu K <raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com>; Sandrine Bailleux <Sandrine.Bailleux(a)arm.com>; tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Louis Mayencourt <Louis.Mayencourt(a)arm.com> Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com> Subject: Re: [TF-A] fconf: Validating config data Hi Raghu We have plan to work on this and come up with some design which handles mandatory/critical properties. On 13/05/2020, 22:18, "TF-A on behalf of Raghu K via TF-A" <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org on behalf of tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: Hi All, Since the 2.3 release is done, can we revisit this topic? I think we left this with finalizing on how to handle bad/incorrect DTB's. Sandrine's latest proposal below: "A bad DTB seems more like an integration error than a programming error to me, and thus should be handled with runtime checks according to the current guidelines. Incorrect values for mandatory properties should probably be treated as unrecoverable errors (causing a panic) and incorrect/missing optional properties as recoverable errors (issuing a warning message)." I agree with this proposal and think we should follow this. This addresses my original concern of handling errors consistently and being safe by verifying mandatory/critical properties at run-time. Thoughts ? Thanks Raghu On 4/13/20 10:27 AM, Raghu Krishnamurthy wrote: > Thanks Sandrine. Revisiting after v2.3 is sounds fine. > > -Raghu > > On 4/10/20 2:25 AM, Sandrine Bailleux wrote: >> Hi Raghu, >> >> On 4/8/20 12:50 AM, Raghu Krishnamurthy wrote: >>> Thanks Sandrine, Louis, >>> >>> Agree with both of you. I'm fine with using asserts or panics, as >>> long as we uniformly use it. The change i sent out(review 3845) was >>> because i noticed inconsistency in handling errors. If we do use >>> asserts, all code that checks for mandatory properties, should be >>> changed to assert as opposed to return error code. For optional >>> properties, we can continue to return an error code or print >>> warnings etc. >> >> Yes, I too think consistency is key here. As you said, we need to >> settle on the expected behaviour and enforce it uniformly across the >> fconf code. Let's revisit this code after the v2.3 release. >> >>> I would like to point out that using asserts here is different from >>> what is documented in the coding guidelines. The guidelines >>> explicitly spells out using asserts for "programming errors". >>> Now, is having a bad DTB considered a programming error? ;) The DTB >>> is platform data as opposed to code. The guidelines might need to be >>> updated based on the conclusion here. >> >> Now that you point it out, and after taking a closer look at [1], I >> think I was wrong. A bad DTB seems more like an integration error >> than a programming error to me, and thus should be handled with >> runtime checks according to the current guidelines. Incorrect values >> for mandatory properties should probably be treated as unrecoverable >> errors (causing a panic) and incorrect/missing optional properties as >> recoverable errors (issuing a warning message). >> >> [1] >> https://trustedfirmware-a.readthedocs.io/en/latest/process/coding-guideline… >> >> >>> Also note the couple of scenarios i mentioned in an earlier email. >>> Platforms like RPI4 don't generally enable TBBR and the DTB image >>> could get corrupt or be modified on purpose. On a release build, >>> this could cause silent corruption. Panic() would avoid this. >>> >>> In any case, it would be good to settle on the expected behavior for >>> each of these abnormal cases. I don't have a strong preference for >>> asserts or panics here, since each has its pros and cons as both of >>> you called out. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Raghu > -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a

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TF-A Tech Forum Agenda @ Thr 18th June 2020 16:00-1700 BST

by Joanna Farley

Hi All, The next TF-A Tech Forum is scheduled for Thu 18th June 2020 16:00 – 17:00 (BST). A reoccurring meeting invite has been sent out to the subscribers of this TF-A mailing list. If you don’t have this please let me know. Note the new time that is an hour earlier then previous sessions. Agenda: * TF-A Unit Level Testing - Presented by Lauren Wehrmeister * General explanation of the new approach for Unit Testing in TF-A. * Optional TF-A Mailing List Topic Discussions If TF-A contributors have anything they wish to present at any future TF-A tech forum please contact me to have that scheduled. Thanks Joanna

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Re: [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library

by Madhukar Pappireddy

Hi Alexei, To be clear, my current effort is to upgrade the libfdt source files in TF-A. I am not sure why the libfdt source was not integrated into TF-A as a preloaded source tree similar to MbedTLS. Perhaps, any TF-A veteran can help answer this question? Since there is an ongoing effort in the TF-A project to move to CMake build framework, I did not plan to integrate libfdt Makefile into TF-A. Hi Yann, Between commits aadd0b6 (the current version in TF-A for libfdt files) and 85e5d83, I have noticed bug fixes, code cleanups. I am not familiar with the dtc project. I can push a WIP patch with libfdt source files picked from commit 85e5d83. Please let me know if you see any issues with ST platforms. Thanks, Madhukar -----Original Message----- From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Yann GAUTIER via TF-A Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:26 AM To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org Subject: Re: [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library Hi Madhukar, We had seen some issue on STM32MP1 with the previous libfdt rebase, that led to the ticket [1]. And then a partial revert [2]. I'll then try this new version to check if boot time doesn't increase too much. Do you expect other changes than the one changing __ASSEMBLY__ to __ASSEMBLER__? And maybe some updates in libfdt.mk file? If you push this new version to gerrit, it will be easier to fetch and test, as a WIP if it is better for you? Regards, Yann [1] https://github.com/ARM-software/tf-issues/issues/643 [2] https://github.com/ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware/commit/00f588bf2cc5298… On 6/15/20 2:18 PM, Alexei Fedorov via TF-A wrote: > Hi Madhukar, > > I'm wondering why we need to integrate libfdt sources in TF-A? Why > cannot we use the same option as for MbedTls when the build system > gets the path to the preloaded source tree? > > Regards. > > Alexei > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of > Varun Wadekar via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> > *Sent:* 13 June 2020 01:04 > *To:* Madhukar Pappireddy <Madhukar.Pappireddy(a)arm.com> > *Cc:* tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> > *Subject:* Re: [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library > > Hi Madhukar, > > Before we merge this change, can you please explain how we arrived at > this specific version? Are we tracking the stable version of the library? > > What would be the testing criteria before merging the library? Does > tftf provide any tests that can act as a smoking gun? > > Does it make sense to ask platform owners to test the specific version > you plan to merge? This way we would have more confidence in the library. > > -Varun > > *From:* TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> *On Behalf Of > *Madhukar Pappireddy via TF-A > *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 4:48 PM > *To:* tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > *Subject:* [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library > > *External email: Use caution opening links or attachments* > > Hello, > > I am planning to upgrade libfdt library source files in TF-A. They > haven’t been updated for a while. As the project moves towards > improving the fconf framework and adding more properties in device > tree source files, we rely more on libfdt APIs. I have done some > preliminary investigation to check if there is any performance penalty > in upgrading the libfdt source files integrated into TF-A from the > current version(which corresponds to commit aadd0b6 in the dtc repo > [1]) to master commit (85e5d83). I have run some basics tests on both > x86 and > aarch64 machines and I have not seen any performance degradation. I > plan to push a patch shortly to integrate the latest version of libfdt > files in TF-A. > > Please let me know if you are aware of any performance issues or have > other concerns. > > [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/dtc/dtc.git > > Thanks, > > Madhu > > -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a

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Re: [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library

by Yann GAUTIER

Hi Madhukar, We had seen some issue on STM32MP1 with the previous libfdt rebase, that led to the ticket [1]. And then a partial revert [2]. I'll then try this new version to check if boot time doesn't increase too much. Do you expect other changes than the one changing __ASSEMBLY__ to __ASSEMBLER__? And maybe some updates in libfdt.mk file? If you push this new version to gerrit, it will be easier to fetch and test, as a WIP if it is better for you? Regards, Yann [1] https://github.com/ARM-software/tf-issues/issues/643 [2] https://github.com/ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware/commit/00f588bf2cc5298… On 6/15/20 2:18 PM, Alexei Fedorov via TF-A wrote: > Hi Madhukar, > > I'm wondering why we need to integrate libfdt sources in TF-A? Why > cannot we use the same option as for MbedTls when the build system gets > the path to the preloaded source tree? > > Regards. > > Alexei > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Varun > Wadekar via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> > *Sent:* 13 June 2020 01:04 > *To:* Madhukar Pappireddy <Madhukar.Pappireddy(a)arm.com> > *Cc:* tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> > *Subject:* Re: [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library > > Hi Madhukar, > > Before we merge this change, can you please explain how we arrived at > this specific version? Are we tracking the stable version of the library? > > What would be the testing criteria before merging the library? Does tftf > provide any tests that can act as a smoking gun? > > Does it make sense to ask platform owners to test the specific version > you plan to merge? This way we would have more confidence in the library. > > -Varun > > *From:* TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> *On Behalf Of > *Madhukar Pappireddy via TF-A > *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 4:48 PM > *To:* tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > *Subject:* [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library > > *External email: Use caution opening links or attachments* > > Hello, > > I am planning to upgrade libfdt library source files in TF-A. They > haven’t been updated for a while. As the project moves towards improving > the fconf framework and adding more properties in device tree source > files, we rely more on libfdt APIs. I have done some preliminary > investigation to check if there is any performance penalty in upgrading > the libfdt source files integrated into TF-A from the current > version(which corresponds to commit aadd0b6 in the dtc repo [1]) to > master commit (85e5d83). I have run some basics tests on both x86 and > aarch64 machines and I have not seen any performance degradation. I plan > to push a patch shortly to integrate the latest version of libfdt files > in TF-A. > > Please let me know if you are aware of any performance issues or have > other concerns. > > [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/dtc/dtc.git > > Thanks, > > Madhu > >

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Re: [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library

by Alexei Fedorov

Hi Madhukar, I'm wondering why we need to integrate libfdt sources in TF-A? Why cannot we use the same option as for MbedTls when the build system gets the path to the preloaded source tree? Regards. Alexei ________________________________ From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Varun Wadekar via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Sent: 13 June 2020 01:04 To: Madhukar Pappireddy <Madhukar.Pappireddy(a)arm.com> Cc: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Subject: Re: [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library Hi Madhukar, Before we merge this change, can you please explain how we arrived at this specific version? Are we tracking the stable version of the library? What would be the testing criteria before merging the library? Does tftf provide any tests that can act as a smoking gun? Does it make sense to ask platform owners to test the specific version you plan to merge? This way we would have more confidence in the library. -Varun From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Madhukar Pappireddy via TF-A Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:48 PM To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org Subject: [TF-A] Upgrading libfdt library External email: Use caution opening links or attachments Hello, I am planning to upgrade libfdt library source files in TF-A. They haven’t been updated for a while. As the project moves towards improving the fconf framework and adding more properties in device tree source files, we rely more on libfdt APIs. I have done some preliminary investigation to check if there is any performance penalty in upgrading the libfdt source files integrated into TF-A from the current version(which corresponds to commit aadd0b6 in the dtc repo [1]) to master commit (85e5d83). I have run some basics tests on both x86 and aarch64 machines and I have not seen any performance degradation. I plan to push a patch shortly to integrate the latest version of libfdt files in TF-A. Please let me know if you are aware of any performance issues or have other concerns. [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/dtc/dtc.git Thanks, Madhu

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Re: [TF-A] Question on confine_index_array.h import in tf-a

by Sandrine Bailleux

Hello Etienne, On 6/10/20 1:19 PM, Etienne Carriere via TF-A wrote: > Dear all, > > As part of a patchset series review (topic scmi-msg), change [1] > imports confine_array_index.h header file from OP-TEE OS repository. > The file originates from the open source Fuschia project, see link in > commit message of [1]. > > As being imported for external packages, the header file inherits > Fushca and OP-TEE notices. > The helper function can protect some data structure from side channel > attacks leveraging index indirect access overflows during speculative > execution. > It is not Arm copyright. It is BSD-3-Clause license. > I'll add an entry in the docs/license.rst for the file. > > Where to locate the file? > It is ok to add such a file in include/common? > Does it deserve a specific lib path, like > include/lib/speculconfie_array_index.h? > Maybe add as include/lib/cpus/confine_array_index.h as it is CPU > speculative matters? Before we discuss the location of this header file, have we considered using the compiler support for speculative execution mitigations instead? I am referring to the __builtin_speculation_safe_value() macro, which I believe achieves the same goal as the code you propose to introduce here, i.e. protecting against Spectre v1 bounds-check bypass attacks. TF-A already uses this compiler builtin today and provides a wrapper macro around it, see SPECULATION_SAFE_VALUE() in include/lib/utils_def.f (although I would argue this is not the best location one could think of...). For reference, this was introduced by commit [1]. According to Arm's whitepaper [2], the support for this compiler builtin was added in GCC 9 and LLVM/Clang was to follow shortly. If these versions are too recent for you, then I believe the official location to get equivalent code is [3]. As stated there: The header file provided here allows a migration path to using the builtin function for users who are unable to immediately upgrade to a compiler which supports the builtin. So I would prefer we get the code from there rather than from the OP-TEE project, which got it from the Fuschia project ;) This is licensed under the Boost Software License 1.0, which we've never used in TF-A so I would need to check with our legal department whether this is OK, but I don't expect any issues there as this is described as a permissive license only requiring preservation of copyright and license notices. This is assuming that both header files (the one from OP-TEE and the one from the Arm software Github repo) are equivalent... Is this the case? Is the code provided in OP-TEE perhaps more optimized? Regards, Sandrine [1] https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/commit/?id=9edd… [2] https://developer.arm.com/support/arm-security-updates/speculative-processo… [3] https://github.com/ARM-software/speculation-barrier

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Upgrading libfdt library

by Madhukar Pappireddy

Hello, I am planning to upgrade libfdt library source files in TF-A. They haven't been updated for a while. As the project moves towards improving the fconf framework and adding more properties in device tree source files, we rely more on libfdt APIs. I have done some preliminary investigation to check if there is any performance penalty in upgrading the libfdt source files integrated into TF-A from the current version(which corresponds to commit aadd0b6 in the dtc repo [1]) to master commit (85e5d83). I have run some basics tests on both x86 and aarch64 machines and I have not seen any performance degradation. I plan to push a patch shortly to integrate the latest version of libfdt files in TF-A. Please let me know if you are aware of any performance issues or have other concerns. [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/dtc/dtc.git Thanks, Madhu

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