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Re: [TF-M] The logging mechanism change in TF-M

by Soby Mathew

On 07/01/2020 01:23, Ken Liu via TF-M wrote: > Hi Soby, > > Thanks for providing the reference - we have investigated the version in TF-A earlier, the difference part is we are facing the problem about how to flush the formatted data into device - TF-A has full control to the device so it could just output_char() but the secure partition cannot do this due to some driver sharing consideration. We can reference the TF-A implementation after the logging device mechanism is settled down. > > One question, the ARM Complier built-in would change printf to puts or some other variants in RVCT like __2printf, I searched TF-A sources found there is no '--fbulit-in' or 'no_scanlib' flags for the compiler but looks like TF-A has not met the scenarios TF-M met? Or...the runtime library mechanism for A and M are different? > > /Ken Hi Ken, The TF-A uses -fno-builtin compiler flag. Hence it doesn't face this problem. If the goal is to not to pull in compiler builtin libraries, setting this flag would be the right approach. The TF-M source tree would need to provide libc. Best Regards Soby Mathew

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Last call for reviewing TIMER IRQ naming

by Alamy Liu

Hi all, Please help to review the patch, and it would be merged soon if there is no other comment https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/trusted-firmware-m/+/2687 Best Regards, Alamy

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Re: [TF-M] TF-M Technical Forum call - January 9

by Edison Ai

Hi Anton, I will share something about the PSA FF 1.0.0 alignment. About 10 - 15 minutes. Thanks, Edison From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Ken Liu via TF-M Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 3:33 PM To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com> Subject: Re: [TF-M] TF-M Technical Forum call - January 9 Hi Anton, I can share the status of Secure Partition Runtime Library in the tech forum. /Ken From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m-bounces@lists.trustedfirmware.org>> On Behalf Of Anton Komlev via TF-M Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 1:56 AM To: TF-M(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:TF-M@lists.trustedfirmware.org> Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com<mailto:nd@arm.com>> Subject: [TF-M] TF-M Technical Forum call - January 9 Hello, Hope that the new year is truly happy for everybody. The next session of the Technical Forum is planned on the coming Thursday, January 9th. Regarding the time, I think that the last session was a good compromise to suit majority of the participants so propose to keep the time slot at 7:00-8:00 UTC. This time suits members in Europe and Asia, although participants from US (specially from the East coast) might have inconveniences. Reminding that the recorded sessions and materials are available on the web site: https://www.trustedfirmware.org/meetings/tf-m-technical-forum/ Please reply to this email to post your topics for the agenda. Any questions, proposals, concerns are all valid points for our open discussion so do not hesitate to share it. Best regards, Anton Komlev

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Re: [TF-M] TF-M Technical Forum call - January 9

by Ken Liu

Hi Anton, I can share the status of Secure Partition Runtime Library in the tech forum. /Ken From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Anton Komlev via TF-M Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 1:56 AM To: TF-M(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com> Subject: [TF-M] TF-M Technical Forum call - January 9 Hello, Hope that the new year is truly happy for everybody. The next session of the Technical Forum is planned on the coming Thursday, January 9th. Regarding the time, I think that the last session was a good compromise to suit majority of the participants so propose to keep the time slot at 7:00-8:00 UTC. This time suits members in Europe and Asia, although participants from US (specially from the East coast) might have inconveniences. Reminding that the recorded sessions and materials are available on the web site: https://www.trustedfirmware.org/meetings/tf-m-technical-forum/ Please reply to this email to post your topics for the agenda. Any questions, proposals, concerns are all valid points for our open discussion so do not hesitate to share it. Best regards, Anton Komlev

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Re: [TF-M] The logging mechanism change in TF-M

by Ken Liu

Hi Soby, Thanks for providing the reference - we have investigated the version in TF-A earlier, the difference part is we are facing the problem about how to flush the formatted data into device - TF-A has full control to the device so it could just output_char() but the secure partition cannot do this due to some driver sharing consideration. We can reference the TF-A implementation after the logging device mechanism is settled down. One question, the ARM Complier built-in would change printf to puts or some other variants in RVCT like __2printf, I searched TF-A sources found there is no '--fbulit-in' or 'no_scanlib' flags for the compiler but looks like TF-A has not met the scenarios TF-M met? Or...the runtime library mechanism for A and M are different? /Ken -----Original Message----- From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Soby Mathew via TF-M Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 9:35 PM To: Anton Komlev <Anton.Komlev(a)arm.com>; TF-M(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com> Subject: Re: [TF-M] The logging mechanism change in TF-M On 06/01/2020 11:45, Anton Komlev via TF-M wrote: > Hi Ken, All, > > I like your approach of providing a minimalistic version of printf() > for the logging purpose only. > > This would benefit to code size and performance while rich print > formatting has no practical needs in this project. > > Best regards, > > Anton > > *From:* TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> *On Behalf Of > *Ken Liu via TF-M > *Sent:* 27 December 2019 03:38 > *To:* tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > *Cc:* nd <nd(a)arm.com> > *Subject:* [TF-M] The logging mechanism change in TF-M > > Hi, > > We met some issues while implementing logging APIs like printf: > > * The build-in symbol optimization references other toolchain provided > symbols into image (like change ‘printf’ to ‘puts’ or ‘xxxprintf’), > this would happen in both we are implementing your ‘printf’ and > referencing toolchain ‘printf’. Use a -fno-builtin would suppress > this but this needs a compiler flag requirement for developers. > * If we don’t provide necessary symbol but somewhere in program > referenced it, ARMCLANG would provide one for us which contains the > semihosting things, this increases the code size and cause trouble > while the device is not running under semihosting env. > * Also there are CMSIS user reports that __stdout would affect > multiple thread object initialization. (No detail about the root > cause, anyone could help provide something?) > > So it would be better that we remove the reference to toolchain stdout > APIs, this could simplify the logging implementation since firmware > logging MAY not need rich format (Comments?). A customized printf-like > API is provided for logging but not being named as ‘printf’ directly. > > Due to the default logging device (UART) driver may be implemented for > threads only, the logging functionality in exceptions is going to be > suppressed for a while until we figure out how the logging in > exceptions can be – there is a trade-off between security > consideration (isolation) and performance (Routing the logging API to somewhere costs). > > Please provide your thinking, or what kind of logging API you are using. > > Thanks > > /Ken > The TF-A code base provides a reduced printf() functionality due to similar concerns and to reduce stack/memory usage https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/tree/lib/libc/p… Also be aware that mbedTLS requires snprintf() so if printf() is being custom implemented, then it makes sense to do the same to snprintf() as well. Best Regards Soby Mathew -- TF-M mailing list TF-M(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-m

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Updated invitation: TF-M Tech Forum @ Thu 9 Jan 2020 07:00 - 08:00 (GMT) (tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org)

by bill.fletcher＠linaro.org

This event has been changed. Title: TF-M Tech Forum This is an open forum for anyone to participate and it is not restricted to Trusted Firmware project members. It will operate under the guidance of the TF TSC.Due to expected attendees from Asia, Europe and the Americas, the timeslot is challenging. We hope it's not too difficult for anyone - we can review after the first couple of meetings.Initially we propose a bi-weekly call and then we'll change cadence depending on interest Feel free to forward it to colleagues.──────────Bill Fletcher is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.Join Zoom Meetinghttps://zoom.us/j/5810428000Meeting ID: 581 042 8000One tap mobile+16465588656,,5810428000# US (New York)+16699009128,,5810428000# US (San Jose)Dial by your location +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) 877 853 5247 US Toll-free 888 788 0099 US Toll-freeMeeting ID: 581 042 8000Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/aerUYXPhSL────────── When: Thu 9 Jan 2020 07:00 – 08:00 United Kingdom Time Where: https://zoom.us/j/5810428000 Calendar: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org Who: (Guest list has been hidden at organiser's request) Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=NTZtNXZwM3BsaGltanJkb… Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this courtesy email at the account tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future updates for this event, decline this event. Alternatively, you can sign up for a Google Account at https://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to send a response to the organiser and be added to the guest list, invite others regardless of their own invitation status or to modify your RSVP. Learn more at https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding

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Invitation: TF-M Tech Forum @ Thu 9 Jan 2020 07:00 - 08:00 (GMT) (tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org)

by bill.fletcher＠linaro.org

You have been invited to the following event. Title: TF-M Tech Forum This is an open forum for anyone to participate and it is not restricted to Trusted Firmware project members. It will operate under the guidance of the TF TSC.Due to expected attendees from Asia, Europe and the Americas, the timeslot is challenging. We hope it's not too difficult for anyone - we can review after the first couple of meetings.Initially we propose a bi-weekly call and then we'll change cadence depending on interest Feel free to forward it to colleagues.──────────Bill Fletcher is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.Join Zoom Meetinghttps://zoom.us/j/5810428000Meeting ID: 581 042 8000One tap mobile+16465588656,,5810428000# US (New York)+16699009128,,5810428000# US (San Jose)Dial by your location +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) 877 853 5247 US Toll-free 888 788 0099 US Toll-freeMeeting ID: 581 042 8000Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/aerUYXPhSL────────── When: Thu 9 Jan 2020 07:00 – 08:00 United Kingdom Time Where: https://zoom.us/j/5810428000 Joining info: Join Hangouts Meet https://meet.google.com/xdb-txmc-xje Or dial: +44 20 3956 3237 (PIN:: 515715720) More phone numbers: https://tel.meet/xdb-txmc-xje?pin=7033981256503&hs=0 Calendar: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org Who: (Guest list has been hidden at organiser's request) Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=NTZtNXZwM3BsaGltanJkb… Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this courtesy email at the account tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future updates for this event, decline this event. Alternatively, you can sign up for a Google Account at https://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to send a response to the organiser and be added to the guest list, invite others regardless of their own invitation status or to modify your RSVP. Learn more at https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding

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TF-M Technical Forum call - January 9

by Anton Komlev

Hello, Hope that the new year is truly happy for everybody. The next session of the Technical Forum is planned on the coming Thursday, January 9th. Regarding the time, I think that the last session was a good compromise to suit majority of the participants so propose to keep the time slot at 7:00-8:00 UTC. This time suits members in Europe and Asia, although participants from US (specially from the East coast) might have inconveniences. Reminding that the recorded sessions and materials are available on the web site: https://www.trustedfirmware.org/meetings/tf-m-technical-forum/ Please reply to this email to post your topics for the agenda. Any questions, proposals, concerns are all valid points for our open discussion so do not hesitate to share it. Best regards, Anton Komlev

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Re: [TF-M] irq handling in library mode

by Andrew Thoelke

> Just a question: For Isolation Level 1, the hardware features of v8-M should be sufficient to implement interrupts natively. Is this correct understanding or did I miss anything? This is essentially correct. As this is outside of the PSA-FF at present, TF-M would need to design and document how to integrate such IRQ handlers with its interrupt management framework, and how the interrupt handler can interact with the secure service code. For example, this might be achieved by resuming a SFC call that is waiting for a hardware operation to complete or delivering a signal to an IPC mode Secure Partition. IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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Re: [TF-M] The logging mechanism change in TF-M

by Soby Mathew

On 06/01/2020 11:45, Anton Komlev via TF-M wrote: > Hi Ken, All, > > I like your approach of providing a minimalistic version of printf() for > the logging purpose only. > > This would benefit to code size and performance while rich print > formatting has no practical needs in this project. > > Best regards, > > Anton > > *From:* TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> *On Behalf Of *Ken > Liu via TF-M > *Sent:* 27 December 2019 03:38 > *To:* tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > *Cc:* nd <nd(a)arm.com> > *Subject:* [TF-M] The logging mechanism change in TF-M > > Hi, > > We met some issues while implementing logging APIs like printf: > > * The build-in symbol optimization references other toolchain provided > symbols into image (like change ‘printf’ to ‘puts’ or ‘xxxprintf’), > this would happen in both we are implementing your ‘printf’ and > referencing toolchain ‘printf’. Use a -fno-builtin would suppress > this but this needs a compiler flag requirement for developers. > * If we don’t provide necessary symbol but somewhere in program > referenced it, ARMCLANG would provide one for us which contains the > semihosting things, this increases the code size and cause trouble > while the device is not running under semihosting env. > * Also there are CMSIS user reports that __stdout would affect > multiple thread object initialization. (No detail about the root > cause, anyone could help provide something?) > > So it would be better that we remove the reference to toolchain stdout > APIs, this could simplify the logging implementation since firmware > logging MAY not need rich format (Comments?). A customized printf-like > API is provided for logging but not being named as ‘printf’ directly. > > Due to the default logging device (UART) driver may be implemented for > threads only, the logging functionality in exceptions is going to be > suppressed for a while until we figure out how the logging in exceptions > can be – there is a trade-off between security consideration (isolation) > and performance (Routing the logging API to somewhere costs). > > Please provide your thinking, or what kind of logging API you are using. > > Thanks > > /Ken > The TF-A code base provides a reduced printf() functionality due to similar concerns and to reduce stack/memory usage https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/tree/lib/libc/p… Also be aware that mbedTLS requires snprintf() so if printf() is being custom implemented, then it makes sense to do the same to snprintf() as well. Best Regards Soby Mathew

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