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by Balint Dobszay

Hi All, The buildsystem of TF-A became complex and loaded with technical debt during the years, and it's time to do something about this. We made some plans and prototyping work to move to a CMake based solution and we would like to get feedback on the idea. Why CMake? In summary CMake is a mature tool having a wide acceptance in C and C++ projects. Also it has benefits of decreasing fragmentation in the developer community if we sync up with TF-M. How will it happen? This will be a slow process where the old build system will co-exist for a period with the new one. How long that period will be is an open question. For a more detailed summary please see https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_a/cmake-buildsystem-proposal/ The design discussion will follow the design review proposal process of TF.org, as described on this page: https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu… You can find the patch for capturing the design decisions and discussion here: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/#/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2662/ If you would like to contribute or have an opinion or any ideas please reply to this email or add a comment on Gerrit (link above). Regards, Balint IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

6 years, 3 months

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Re: [TF-A] Insufficient ordering guarantees in bakery_lock_get() and bakery_lock_release() in bakery_lock_coherent.c

by Soby Mathew

On 26/11/2019 16:30, Raghupathy Krishnamurthy via TF-A wrote: > Hello! > > Reposting this from (https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/T589). > > bakery_lock_get() uses a dmbld() after lock acquisition which is insufficient in a lock acquire situation. With just dmbld(), stores in a critical section can be reordered before the dmbld() and indeed before the lock acquisition has taken place. similarly, bakery_lock_release() only uses dmbst(). A load in the critical section could be reordered after the dmbst() and write to the lock data structure releasing the lock. This is likely less of a problem but lock release needs to provide release semantics, and dmbst() is insufficient. For ex: A load in the critical section of CPU1 can be reordered after the store for the lock release, and it could read from a store that is executed on CPU2 in the same critical section, since CPU2 saw the store for the lock release first, and raced into the critical section. Hi Raghu, You are right on this. The dmbld() and dmbst() does not provide sufficient guarantees in the cases you mention. Was this an issue that actually manifested on a hardware or is this something that you caught while reviewing the code ? > Also the dsb() after the write to the lock seems unnecessary. Am I missing something here ? It looks like the same issue is present even in bakery_lock_normal. > If you are referring to the dsb() at this line : https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/tree/lib/locks/… it is needed to ensure the ordering of the succeeding sev(). Best Regards Soby Mathew > Thanks > Raghu >

6 years, 3 months

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Insufficient ordering guarantees in bakery_lock_get() and bakery_lock_release() in bakery_lock_coherent.c

by Raghupathy Krishnamurthy

Hello! Reposting this from (https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/T589). bakery_lock_get() uses a dmbld() after lock acquisition which is insufficient in a lock acquire situation. With just dmbld(), stores in a critical section can be reordered before the dmbld() and indeed before the lock acquisition has taken place. similarly, bakery_lock_release() only uses dmbst(). A load in the critical section could be reordered after the dmbst() and write to the lock data structure releasing the lock. This is likely less of a problem but lock release needs to provide release semantics, and dmbst() is insufficient. For ex: A load in the critical section of CPU1 can be reordered after the store for the lock release, and it could read from a store that is executed on CPU2 in the same critical section, since CPU2 saw the store for the lock release first, and raced into the critical section. Also the dsb() after the write to the lock seems unnecessary. Am I missing something here ? It looks like the same issue is present even in bakery_lock_normal. Thanks Raghu

6 years, 3 months

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Review hiccups

by Julius Werner

Hi Soby (and others), We've had a couple of MT8183 platform patches on Gerrit waiting for review/merge for a while (one over a week). Could you please help make sure they are in someone's queue at Arm? https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2379 (passed CI) https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2175 (passed CI) https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2401 (need kick off CI) Let me know if there's anything else we can do to help increase turnaround time on Gerrit. Thanks, Julius

6 years, 3 months

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How to verify image BL1

by Iñigo Vicente Waliño

Hi, I am using QEMu to simulate the ARMv8 platform. How can I verify that the BL1 image is in the ROM? And if not, can I not find it? Thanks, Iñigo.

6 years, 3 months

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TF-A Public Presentations collection

by Matteo Carlini

Hi all, I finally got round to collating links to all TF-A public presentations done over the years in our wiki page here https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_a/ I intend to keep the list updated with all future appearances as well. Let me know if you spot any error or inconsistency. Thanks Matteo

6 years, 3 months

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Design proposal: Property Access Layer

by Louis Mayencourt

Hi everyone, Please let me introduce the `Property Access Layer` prototype: The Property Access Layer (PAL) is an abstraction layer for platform specific data, allowing a "property" to be queried and a value retrieved without the requesting entity knowing what backing store is being used to hold the data. It is used to bridge new and old ways of providing platform-specific data: Today, information like the Chain of Trust is held within several, nested platform-defined tables. In the future, it may be provided as part of a device tree blob, along with the information about images to load. Introducing this abstraction layer will make migration easier and will preserve functionality for platforms that cannot / don't want to use device tree. Please have a look at the patches: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2559/1 Regards, Louis IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

6 years, 3 months

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[RFC] New feature in TF-A to load encrypted FIP payloads

by Sumit Garg

Hi Everyone, The motivation behind this new feature comes from DRM robustness rules. DRM content vendors want to make it even harder to reverse engineer Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) and therefore would like to see that Trusted OS (BL32 payload) is not just signed, but also encrypted. Dan, Matteo, In continuation to our discussions at Linaro Connect SAN19 regarding support for encrypted firmwares (especially encrypted Trusted OS as BL32 payload) in TF-A. I have tried to come up with below RFC patch-set based on TBBR [1] optional requirement: R070_TBBR_FUNCTION. RFC patch-set: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2494 https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2495 https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2496 https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2497 https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2498 https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2499 https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2500 https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2501 https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2502 Also, I have used QEMU as a reference platform to test this feature (instructions documented as part of "[PATCH 9/9] docs: qemu: Add instructions to boot using FIP image"). So that it's easier for people interested in this feature to test. I look forward to hear feedback/comments on this new feature. [1] https://developer.arm.com/docs/den0006/latest/trusted-board-boot-requiremen… Regards, Sumit

6 years, 3 months

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Notice of SPCI-SPM Prototype Removal

by Paul Beesley

Hello, This message is to provide advance notice that the experimental Secure Partition Manager (SPM) component - based around the SPCI Alpha 1 specification - will be removed from the codebase within the next few weeks. This component was deprecated for the v2.2 release. Normally a component stays in the codebase for one full release cycle after being deprecated but that does not apply to experimental and/or prototype features such as this one. The intention is not to replace this component directly with a similar SPM component but to instead implement an EL3 SPCI dispatcher component that enables the use of secure partitions with an SPM at either S-EL1 or at S-EL2 (v8.4 or later). This dispatcher would be compliant with the latest public draft of the Secure Partition Client Interface (SPCI) specification at the time. Please note that the SPM-MM (Management Mode) component is *not* going to be removed as part of this work. If you have any questions or concerns about this change then please get in touch either via this mailing list or via your Arm partner manager (where applicable). Thanks, Paul

6 years, 3 months

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Re: [TF-A] [RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks

by Lionel DEBIEVE

Hi, Just to clarify a little bit more. There is no link here about a 32/64 bit architecture. The content of this change is to take care about new memory introduce (mtd devices) that are not based on size * LBA (where LBA=512) but size * LBA where (LBA=1) and in such case, the size could exceed the 4GB. It is not platform dependent and not architecture dependent, it's link to the connected MTD device only. I'm not sure that a new type is useful except if you want a type is modified regarding a platform flag such as USE_LARGE_MTD_DEVICE. Hope it's more clear. BR, Lionel On 11/5/19 3:20 PM, Gyorgy Szing via TF-A wrote: > Hi, > > I did not investigated all the details so what stays below may contain mistakes, but still I would like to add some comments. > > "using a type for the offset" > The type we use for this purpose seems to be a configuration parameter for the IO layer as it depends on the upper layer being used with the IO library. For example libc uses "long int" to specify the file offset (fseek, ftell), using a different type while running below libc does not seem to be a good idea. > The best option seems to be to define a type like (as Olivier mentioned) lib/zlib does. How we set this configuration parameter during the build is a question. The offset type could be dictated by the platform, the architecture (aarch32 or aarch64) or by the user. Which one is worth to implement needs investigation. > > If it is a good idea to use the same name "off_t" as zlib uses (or even the same type) is be questionable. It may give us more flexibility if we use a dedicated name, and the configuration maps the IO type to the one used by the upper layer. > > "32 bit backward compatibility" > Another angle worth to consider is the 32/64 bit compatibility. I.e.: newlib can use 64 bit offsets even on 32 bit architectures, and they use some wrappers to maintain binary compatibility with old builds. When built in a compatible manner, functions using the standardized names use 32 bit wide offsets and call the real 64 bit implementation as a wrapper. > To solve compatibility issues we could use a similar pattern. Instead of changing the existing function, we could add a new one (i.e. seek64). Then new 64 bit aware code could use the new function if available, and legacy code could call the old one. Longer term it is an option to deprecate the 32 bit version. > > "use stdint.h types" > And a finally: when selecting the type used for off_t (or whatever we are going to call it) please consider using stdint.h types (i.e. int_fast64_t). > > /George > > -----Original Message----- > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Olivier Deprez via TF-A > Sent: 25 October 2019 14:42 > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Lionel DEBIEVE <lionel.debieve(a)st.com> > Subject: Re: [TF-A] [RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks > > Hi Lionel, > > On https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2283 > I'm extending the discussion to the TF-A ML, to get people's opinion. > > The idea is to extend the io_seek offset parameter from ssize_t to unsigned long long. > There are indeed good reasons for that as flash storage density grows over the years. > > Now on the change, the struct io_dev_funcs seek function pointer is generic for the whole codebase / drivers. > So currently the change breaks the builds for at least rcar, stratix10 (did not check others from that point). > > An alternative is defining offset as an off_t type which is ssize_t by default, and only unsigned long long based on the platform (using _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64). This pattern actually already exists in lib/zlib > > Other option is to change the generic prototype for all platform drivers (then we ensure all platforms build and supply platform patches). > > What do ML people think? > > Regards, > Olivier. > > > > ________________________________ > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Lionel DEBIEVE via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> > Sent: 18 October 2019 17:26 > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> > Subject: [TF-A] [RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks > > Hello Maintainers, > > I've sent a patch series around MTD framework management into BL2 stage (cf https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2283). > > This patch series will add following frameworks: > > - a raw NAND framework implementation to support SLC NAND devices. Current implementation is limited to read operations without ECC corrections. Overrides are available to use hardware ECC from controller or low-level drivers. It also supports ONFI detection management but this can also be disabled or overridden by platform specific data. > - a SPI-MEM framework (inspired from kernel/u-boot implementation) that encapsulates all SPI operations to SPI low level drivers. > - a SPI-NAND framework based on SPI-MEM to support SPI NAND devices. This framework is also limited to the read operation. It uses single command, address and data bus width as legacy but can be overridden by platform. > - a SPI-NOR framework based on SPI-MEM to manage SPI NOR devices. It is also limited to read operations using single command, address and data bus width as legacy (override still possible by platform). The framework embeds some specific implementations for manufacturers specific behavior in case of quad mode configuration activation. > > This patch series also includes: > > - a new io_mtd interface to manage a generic access to all these frameworks. > - a NAND core driver that accesses independently to raw NAND or SPI-NAND framework. This core driver requires a scratch buffer defined by platform to manage unaligned pages (could be defined to 0 in case of aligned page) and limits access to a single NAND instance management. > - a complete integration is available based on STM32MP1 platform. > > Tests have been performed with the following devices: > > SLC NAND: > - Micron MT29F8G08ABACAH4 (ONFI) > - Micron MT29F8G16ABACAH4 (ONFI) > - Toshiba TH58NVG3S0HTAI0 (Non ONFI) > - Toshiba TC58BVG1S3HTAI0 (On die ECC) > > SPI NOR: > - Macronix MX25L51245G > - Cypress/Spansion S25FL512 > - Micron n25q512ax3 > > SPI-NAND: > - Micron MT29F2G01ABAGD > > Waiting for your comments. > > Best regards, Lionel > -- > TF-A mailing list > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

6 years, 3 months

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[RFC] Multiple Signing Domains

by Sandrine Bailleux

Hello all, As you may know, the Trusted Board Boot (TBB) code relies on the platform to define a chain of trust (CoT). Today, the only example of CoT present in the code base is the one used on Arm platforms, which is described: - in the TBBR specification [1]. - in the TF-A documentation [2] [3]. The entire TBBR CoT is built upon the root-of-trust public key (ROTPK), which is used to authenticate all subsequent firmware binaries and certificates, either directly or indirectly through some intermediate certificates. The TBBR CoT is only one example of a possible certificate chain and key ownership model. It might not suit all platforms and market segments but the TBBR implementation in TF-A leaves some freedom for other CoTs. Today, we are publishing some proof-of-concept code that shows one way the existing TBBR CoT may be modified in order to detach the BL33 image from the rest of the CoT. This effectively splits it into 2 CoTs: - 1 CoT for all secure world images (BL2, BL31, BL32). - 1 CoT for the normal world bootloader (BL33). If you are interested, please have a look at the related patch as well as the companion documentation: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2443 https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_a/poc-multiple-signing-domains/ Note that at this stage, this is only prototype code and we do not plan to integrate it in the code base as is, because it does not implement what we would consider as a clean solution and uses a number of workarounds. We are considering cleaning this patch up and providing it as an alternate CoT on FVP platform in the future. For now, the intent is to provide some material, which we can base a discussion on. We're hoping to gather feedback from interested parties on the suitability of this approach. Regards, Sandrine [1] https://developer.arm.com/docs/den0006/d/trusted-board-boot-requirements-cl… (see page 21) [2] https://trustedfirmware-a.readthedocs.io/en/latest/design/trusted-board-boo… [3] https://trustedfirmware-a.readthedocs.io/en/latest/design/auth-framework.ht…

6 years, 3 months

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Re: [TF-A] [RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks

by Gyorgy Szing

Hi, I did not investigated all the details so what stays below may contain mistakes, but still I would like to add some comments. "using a type for the offset" The type we use for this purpose seems to be a configuration parameter for the IO layer as it depends on the upper layer being used with the IO library. For example libc uses "long int" to specify the file offset (fseek, ftell), using a different type while running below libc does not seem to be a good idea. The best option seems to be to define a type like (as Olivier mentioned) lib/zlib does. How we set this configuration parameter during the build is a question. The offset type could be dictated by the platform, the architecture (aarch32 or aarch64) or by the user. Which one is worth to implement needs investigation. If it is a good idea to use the same name "off_t" as zlib uses (or even the same type) is be questionable. It may give us more flexibility if we use a dedicated name, and the configuration maps the IO type to the one used by the upper layer. "32 bit backward compatibility" Another angle worth to consider is the 32/64 bit compatibility. I.e.: newlib can use 64 bit offsets even on 32 bit architectures, and they use some wrappers to maintain binary compatibility with old builds. When built in a compatible manner, functions using the standardized names use 32 bit wide offsets and call the real 64 bit implementation as a wrapper. To solve compatibility issues we could use a similar pattern. Instead of changing the existing function, we could add a new one (i.e. seek64). Then new 64 bit aware code could use the new function if available, and legacy code could call the old one. Longer term it is an option to deprecate the 32 bit version. "use stdint.h types" And a finally: when selecting the type used for off_t (or whatever we are going to call it) please consider using stdint.h types (i.e. int_fast64_t). /George -----Original Message----- From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Olivier Deprez via TF-A Sent: 25 October 2019 14:42 To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Lionel DEBIEVE <lionel.debieve(a)st.com> Subject: Re: [TF-A] [RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks Hi Lionel, On https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2283 I'm extending the discussion to the TF-A ML, to get people's opinion. The idea is to extend the io_seek offset parameter from ssize_t to unsigned long long. There are indeed good reasons for that as flash storage density grows over the years. Now on the change, the struct io_dev_funcs seek function pointer is generic for the whole codebase / drivers. So currently the change breaks the builds for at least rcar, stratix10 (did not check others from that point). An alternative is defining offset as an off_t type which is ssize_t by default, and only unsigned long long based on the platform (using _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64). This pattern actually already exists in lib/zlib Other option is to change the generic prototype for all platform drivers (then we ensure all platforms build and supply platform patches). What do ML people think? Regards, Olivier. ________________________________ From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Lionel DEBIEVE via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Sent: 18 October 2019 17:26 To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Subject: [TF-A] [RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks Hello Maintainers, I've sent a patch series around MTD framework management into BL2 stage (cf https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2283). This patch series will add following frameworks: - a raw NAND framework implementation to support SLC NAND devices. Current implementation is limited to read operations without ECC corrections. Overrides are available to use hardware ECC from controller or low-level drivers. It also supports ONFI detection management but this can also be disabled or overridden by platform specific data. - a SPI-MEM framework (inspired from kernel/u-boot implementation) that encapsulates all SPI operations to SPI low level drivers. - a SPI-NAND framework based on SPI-MEM to support SPI NAND devices. This framework is also limited to the read operation. It uses single command, address and data bus width as legacy but can be overridden by platform. - a SPI-NOR framework based on SPI-MEM to manage SPI NOR devices. It is also limited to read operations using single command, address and data bus width as legacy (override still possible by platform). The framework embeds some specific implementations for manufacturers specific behavior in case of quad mode configuration activation. This patch series also includes: - a new io_mtd interface to manage a generic access to all these frameworks. - a NAND core driver that accesses independently to raw NAND or SPI-NAND framework. This core driver requires a scratch buffer defined by platform to manage unaligned pages (could be defined to 0 in case of aligned page) and limits access to a single NAND instance management. - a complete integration is available based on STM32MP1 platform. Tests have been performed with the following devices: SLC NAND: - Micron MT29F8G08ABACAH4 (ONFI) - Micron MT29F8G16ABACAH4 (ONFI) - Toshiba TH58NVG3S0HTAI0 (Non ONFI) - Toshiba TC58BVG1S3HTAI0 (On die ECC) SPI NOR: - Macronix MX25L51245G - Cypress/Spansion S25FL512 - Micron n25q512ax3 SPI-NAND: - Micron MT29F2G01ABAGD Waiting for your comments. Best regards, Lionel -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a

6 years, 4 months

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New "memory map" tool

by Louis Mayencourt

Hi all, We are introducing a new "memory map" tool part of the build system. The tool parse the blx.map files and print a representation of the memory layout for the latest build. It can be invoked by adding "memmap" in the make build command. If you are interested, please have a look at the related patch: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2413/1 Regards, Louis IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

6 years, 4 months

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Design proposal: firmware debugfs interface

by Olivier Deprez

Hi All, We are proposing a new firmware debug interface in the form of a "debug filesystem". The intent is to expose live firmware data or firmware driver HAL to the upper layers, in debug builds. For people interested, please review and comment the design proposal: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2381 The design is not closed, the intent is to collect opinions, and have a discussion on options and implications. Thanks & Regards, Olivier. IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

6 years, 4 months

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Re: [TF-A] [RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks

by Olivier Deprez

Hi Lionel, On https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2283 I'm extending the discussion to the TF-A ML, to get people's opinion. The idea is to extend the io_seek offset parameter from ssize_t to unsigned long long. There are indeed good reasons for that as flash storage density grows over the years. Now on the change, the struct io_dev_funcs seek function pointer is generic for the whole codebase / drivers. So currently the change breaks the builds for at least rcar, stratix10 (did not check others from that point). An alternative is defining offset as an off_t type which is ssize_t by default, and only unsigned long long based on the platform (using _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64). This pattern actually already exists in lib/zlib Other option is to change the generic prototype for all platform drivers (then we ensure all platforms build and supply platform patches). What do ML people think? Regards, Olivier. ________________________________ From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Lionel DEBIEVE via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Sent: 18 October 2019 17:26 To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Subject: [TF-A] [RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks Hello Maintainers, I've sent a patch series around MTD framework management into BL2 stage (cf https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2283). This patch series will add following frameworks: - a raw NAND framework implementation to support SLC NAND devices. Current implementation is limited to read operations without ECC corrections. Overrides are available to use hardware ECC from controller or low-level drivers. It also supports ONFI detection management but this can also be disabled or overridden by platform specific data. - a SPI-MEM framework (inspired from kernel/u-boot implementation) that encapsulates all SPI operations to SPI low level drivers. - a SPI-NAND framework based on SPI-MEM to support SPI NAND devices. This framework is also limited to the read operation. It uses single command, address and data bus width as legacy but can be overridden by platform. - a SPI-NOR framework based on SPI-MEM to manage SPI NOR devices. It is also limited to read operations using single command, address and data bus width as legacy (override still possible by platform). The framework embeds some specific implementations for manufacturers specific behavior in case of quad mode configuration activation. This patch series also includes: - a new io_mtd interface to manage a generic access to all these frameworks. - a NAND core driver that accesses independently to raw NAND or SPI-NAND framework. This core driver requires a scratch buffer defined by platform to manage unaligned pages (could be defined to 0 in case of aligned page) and limits access to a single NAND instance management. - a complete integration is available based on STM32MP1 platform. Tests have been performed with the following devices: SLC NAND: - Micron MT29F8G08ABACAH4 (ONFI) - Micron MT29F8G16ABACAH4 (ONFI) - Toshiba TH58NVG3S0HTAI0 (Non ONFI) - Toshiba TC58BVG1S3HTAI0 (On die ECC) SPI NOR: - Macronix MX25L51245G - Cypress/Spansion S25FL512 - Micron n25q512ax3 SPI-NAND: - Micron MT29F2G01ABAGD Waiting for your comments. Best regards, Lionel -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

6 years, 4 months

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Re: [TF-A] compile toolchain

by Alexei Fedorov

Hi Feng, user-guide.rst references GCC 9.1 and later versions. The code was also tested with GCC 10.0.0. Regards. Alexei ________________________________ From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Chen Feng via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Sent: 24 October 2019 14:32 To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Subject: [TF-A] compile toolchain hi expects， from the atf2.2 release notes,I can see the tf-a already supported pac bti and mte feature. I want to enable and test it on fvp platform. I want to know which tool chain to use for compiling code for theses. Cheers Feng -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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compile toolchain

by Chen Feng

hi expects， from the atf2.2 release notes,I can see the tf-a already supported pac bti and mte feature. I want to enable and test it on fvp platform. I want to know which tool chain to use for compiling code for theses. Cheers Feng

6 years, 4 months

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Trusted Firmware version 2.2 is now available

by Bipin Ravi

Hi all, Trusted Firmware version 2.2 is now available and can be found here: https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/tag/?h=v2.2 Please refer to the readme and change log for further information. Thanks & best regards, [cid:image001.jpg@01D588EA.577B7090] Bipin Ravi | Principal Design Engineer Bipin.Ravi(a)arm.com<mailto:Joshua.Sunil@arm.com> | Skype: Bipin.Ravi.ARM Direct: +1-512-225 -1071 | Mobile: +1-214-212-0794 5707 Southwest Parkway, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735

6 years, 4 months

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[RFC] BL2 MTD frameworks

by Lionel DEBIEVE

Hello Maintainers, I've sent a patch series around MTD framework management into BL2 stage (cf https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/2283). This patch series will add following frameworks: - a raw NAND framework implementation to support SLC NAND devices. Current implementation is limited to read operations without ECC corrections. Overrides are available to use hardware ECC from controller or low-level drivers. It also supports ONFI detection management but this can also be disabled or overridden by platform specific data. - a SPI-MEM framework (inspired from kernel/u-boot implementation) that encapsulates all SPI operations to SPI low level drivers. - a SPI-NAND framework based on SPI-MEM to support SPI NAND devices. This framework is also limited to the read operation. It uses single command, address and data bus width as legacy but can be overridden by platform. - a SPI-NOR framework based on SPI-MEM to manage SPI NOR devices. It is also limited to read operations using single command, address and data bus width as legacy (override still possible by platform). The framework embeds some specific implementations for manufacturers specific behavior in case of quad mode configuration activation. This patch series also includes: - a new io_mtd interface to manage a generic access to all these frameworks. - a NAND core driver that accesses independently to raw NAND or SPI-NAND framework. This core driver requires a scratch buffer defined by platform to manage unaligned pages (could be defined to 0 in case of aligned page) and limits access to a single NAND instance management. - a complete integration is available based on STM32MP1 platform. Tests have been performed with the following devices: SLC NAND: - Micron MT29F8G08ABACAH4 (ONFI) - Micron MT29F8G16ABACAH4 (ONFI) - Toshiba TH58NVG3S0HTAI0 (Non ONFI) - Toshiba TC58BVG1S3HTAI0 (On die ECC) SPI NOR: - Macronix MX25L51245G - Cypress/Spansion S25FL512 - Micron n25q512ax3 SPI-NAND: - Micron MT29F2G01ABAGD Waiting for your comments. Best regards, Lionel

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Re: [TF-A] Boot getting stuck on RK3399 Rockpro64 board

by Joanna Farley

Hi Hugh, Ccing the Rockchip maintainers from https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/tree/docs/maint… as neither appear to be subscribed to this mailing list. Joanna On 08/10/2019, 21:45, "TF-A on behalf of Hugh Cole-Baker via TF-A" <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org on behalf of tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: Hi folks, I've been using TF-A with mainline U-Boot recently as firmware & boot loader for a RK3399 Rockpro64 board. I'm compiling TF-A and U-boot based on this guide [1], using gcc 8.3.0 from Debian. TF-A v2.1 works fine for this, but I recently tried to switch to TF-A latest master and found U-Boot gets stuck with this version. The symptoms are: U-Boot TPL and SPL print starting messages like this: U-Boot TPL 2019.10-rc4-00037-gdac51e9aaf (Oct 06 2019 - 21:42:50) Trying to boot from BOOTROM Returning to boot ROM... U-Boot SPL 2019.10-rc4-00037-gdac51e9aaf (Oct 06 2019 - 21:42:50 +0000) Trying to boot from MMC2 ...and then there is no more output when normally U-Boot proper would start, and go on to load the Linux kernel, etc. Starting from v2.1, with git bisect I found the first 'bad' commit is: 0aad563c7480 rockchip: Update BL31_BASE to 0x40000 and that commit does change some RK3399-related files so seems likely. I'm not sure how to debug further, any ideas on why boot is hanging after that change or how to get more debugging information? Best regards, Hugh Cole-Baker [1] https://github.com/u-boot/u-boot/blob/master/doc/README.rockchip -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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Re: [TF-A] Hercules-AE I$ problems

by Olivier Deprez

Hi Varun, TF-A v1.4 is rather old codebase, can you provide the exact patchset you cherry-picked on top of it? e.g. you need the Hercules CPU support patch (a4668c36f1fca75b), but possibly also all which is related to HW_ASSISTED_COHERENCY option? Also, can you pls provide your build cmd line? Thanks & Regards, Olivier. ________________________________ From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Soby Mathew via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Sent: 11 October 2019 11:21 To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; Joanna Farley <Joanna.Farley(a)arm.com>; Matteo Carlini <Matteo.Carlini(a)arm.com> Cc: Julius Werner via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>; nd <nd(a)arm.com> Subject: Re: [TF-A] Hercules-AE I$ problems On 10/10/2019 20:46, Varun Wadekar wrote: > Hello, > > First of all, thanks a lot for posting the Hercules-AE patches. > > We picked them up and used them internally. Unfortunately, the CPU sees > garbage in it's I$ when we enable the I cache for the processor. If we > keep I$ disabled, TF-A boots properly. We are using TF-A v1.4 for > verification. > > We booted Linux kernel v4.14 on the processor and don't see this problem > there. So, we suspect something going wrong inside TF-A. Have you seen > this problem internally? Any hints or clues to solve it would be helpful. > > Thanks. Hi Varun, As indicated in the commit message of the patch, we have not tested the CPU support internally due to non-availability of FVP for the CPU. TF-A assumes that I$ will be invalidated when CPU is reset. Perhaps this is not true for your setup. Could you try adding a `IC IALLU` in the CPU reset handler prior to I$ enable and see if that improves anything ? Best Regards Soby Mathew > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and > may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, > disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all > copies of the original message. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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Hercules-AE I$ problems

by Varun Wadekar

Hello, First of all, thanks a lot for posting the Hercules-AE patches. We picked them up and used them internally. Unfortunately, the CPU sees garbage in it's I$ when we enable the I cache for the processor. If we keep I$ disabled, TF-A boots properly. We are using TF-A v1.4 for verification. We booted Linux kernel v4.14 on the processor and don't see this problem there. So, we suspect something going wrong inside TF-A. Have you seen this problem internally? Any hints or clues to solve it would be helpful. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Documentation and Website Updates

by Paul Beesley

Hi everyone, This post is to let you know about some changes to the TrustedFirmware.org website and to the TF-A documentation. It briefly covers what's new, what has moved, and what happens to any existing resources you may be using. First of all, we are making it more obvious where to access the documentation and the Gerrit review system. The front page of trustedfirmware.org has grown new "Documentation" and "Review" menus with links to this content. Dashboard and Wiki items have moved under the Documentation menu. Secondly, the online version of the documentation has moved to www.trustedfirmware.org/docs/tf-a<http://www.trustedfirmware.org/docs/tf-a>. This is a pre-rendered, HTML copy of the content that is found under the "docs" directory of the TF-A repository. The content here will remain synchronised with the master branch of the repository. Following the v2.2 release, you will also be able to access a static version of the documentation that corresponds to that tag, via a version selection drop-down menu on the site. The intention behind this change is to make it easier to find the docs, to improve the output quality and to make the content more modular and readable. The new setup has a persistent table of contents (displayed to the left of the page content) and a search feature, making it easier to find what you're looking for and easier to move between documents and topics. You may be used to viewing the docs through either the git viewer (https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/about/) or through the Github mirror (https://github.com/ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware/). The landing pages of these sites now contain links to the new content. While you can still use these sites to access other documentation content, you may find that there are some formatting warnings displayed if you do so. Finally, if you prefer to read a local copy of the documentation on your machine then you can build the same HTML output following the instructions at https://trustedfirmware-a.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started/docs-bui… (or docs/getting_started/docs-build.rst, for the equivalent file in the repository). As always, let us know if you have any comments or if there are other changes you would like to see. Thanks, Paul

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Boot getting stuck on RK3399 Rockpro64 board

by Hugh Cole-Baker

Hi folks, I've been using TF-A with mainline U-Boot recently as firmware & boot loader for a RK3399 Rockpro64 board. I'm compiling TF-A and U-boot based on this guide [1], using gcc 8.3.0 from Debian. TF-A v2.1 works fine for this, but I recently tried to switch to TF-A latest master and found U-Boot gets stuck with this version. The symptoms are: U-Boot TPL and SPL print starting messages like this: U-Boot TPL 2019.10-rc4-00037-gdac51e9aaf (Oct 06 2019 - 21:42:50) Trying to boot from BOOTROM Returning to boot ROM... U-Boot SPL 2019.10-rc4-00037-gdac51e9aaf (Oct 06 2019 - 21:42:50 +0000) Trying to boot from MMC2 ...and then there is no more output when normally U-Boot proper would start, and go on to load the Linux kernel, etc. Starting from v2.1, with git bisect I found the first 'bad' commit is: 0aad563c7480 rockchip: Update BL31_BASE to 0x40000 and that commit does change some RK3399-related files so seems likely. I'm not sure how to debug further, any ideas on why boot is hanging after that change or how to get more debugging information? Best regards, Hugh Cole-Baker [1] https://github.com/u-boot/u-boot/blob/master/doc/README.rockchip

6 years, 4 months

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Forthcoming Trusted Firmware-A 2.2 release

by Bipin Ravi

Hi, This is to notify that we are planning to target the Trusted Firmware-A 2.2 release during the third week of October as part of the regular 6 month cadence. The aim is to consolidate all TF-A work since the 2.1 release. As part of this, a release candidate tag will be created and release activities will commence from Monday October 7th. Essentially we will not merge any major enhancements from this date until the release is made. Please ensure any Pull Requests (PR's) desired to make the 2.2 release are submitted in good time to be complete by Friday October 4th. Any major enhancement PR's still open after that date will not be merged until after the release. Thanks & best regards, [cid:image001.jpg@01D57244.98C07530] Bipin Ravi | Principal Design Engineer Bipin.Ravi(a)arm.com<mailto:Joshua.Sunil@arm.com> | Skype: Bipin.Ravi.ARM Direct: +1-512-225 -1071 | Mobile: +1-214-212-0794 5707 Southwest Parkway, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735

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New Defects reported by Coverity Scan for ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware

by scan-admin＠coverity.com

Hi, Please find the latest report on new defect(s) introduced to ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware found with Coverity Scan. 1 new defect(s) introduced to ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware found with Coverity Scan. New defect(s) Reported-by: Coverity Scan Showing 1 of 1 defect(s) ** CID 349459: (ARRAY_VS_SINGLETON) ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ *** CID 349459: (ARRAY_VS_SINGLETON) /plat/mediatek/mt8183/drivers/sspm/sspm.c: 150 in sspm_alive_show() 144 145 if (sspm_ipi_send_non_blocking(IPI_ID_PLATFORM, &ipi_data) != 0) { 146 ERROR("sspm init send fail! ret=%d\n", ret); 147 return -1; 148 } 149 >>> CID 349459: (ARRAY_VS_SINGLETON) >>> Passing "&ipi_data" to function "sspm_ipi_recv_non_blocking" which uses it as an array. This might corrupt or misinterpret adjacent memory locations. 150 while (sspm_ipi_recv_non_blocking(IPI_ID_PLATFORM, 151 &ipi_data, 152 sizeof(ipi_data)) 153 && count) { 154 mdelay(100); 155 count--; 156 } 157 158 return (ipi_data == 1) ? 0 : -1; /plat/mediatek/mt8183/drivers/sspm/sspm.c: 145 in sspm_alive_show() 139 uint32_t ipi_data, count; 140 int ret = 0; 141 142 count = 5; 143 ipi_data = 0xdead; 144 >>> CID 349459: (ARRAY_VS_SINGLETON) >>> Passing "&ipi_data" to function "sspm_ipi_send_non_blocking" which uses it as an array. This might corrupt or misinterpret adjacent memory locations. 145 if (sspm_ipi_send_non_blocking(IPI_ID_PLATFORM, &ipi_data) != 0) { 146 ERROR("sspm init send fail! ret=%d\n", ret); 147 return -1; 148 } 149 150 while (sspm_ipi_recv_non_blocking(IPI_ID_PLATFORM, ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ To view the defects in Coverity Scan visit, https://u2389337.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=08onrYu34A-2BWcWUl-2F-2BfV0V0…

6 years, 5 months

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Coverity Scan subscription confirmation

by scan-admin＠coverity.com

Hi tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org, Your email was added by sandrine.bailleux(a)arm.com to receive software defect notifications from [1]Coverity Scan for the ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware project. To confirm and activate these notifications, [2]click here. If you do not wish to receive these emails, you may safely ignore this message. References 1. https://u2389337.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=08onrYu34A-2BWcWUl-2F-2BfV0V0… 2. https://u2389337.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=08onrYu34A-2BWcWUl-2F-2BfV0V0…

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Re: [TF-A] Defects detected by Coverity Scan Online

by Sandrine Bailleux

Hi, We are going to configure Coverity Scan Online to make it send notifications to this mailing list. This way, everyone subscribed on this mailing list will be aware of newly detected/eliminated defects found by the tool. The report will provide a summary of the findings (their nature, location in the source code). In order to look up the details or to triage them, you will still need to access the database through the web portal on https://scan.coverity.com/projects/arm-software-arm-trusted-firmware . As a reminder, you will need to create an account to view the defects there (it's possible to use your Github account). This is expected to generate a low volume of emails, as we typically do 1 analysis per week day. As a heads up, the web interface mentions that "an authorization confirmation will be sent to each newly provided email address and must be acknowledged before notifications will be sent". In which case, please ignore these emails. Regards, Sandrine

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Re: [TF-A] License

by Joanna Farley

Hi Tristan, Can you please clarify what your exact concern is? Which files and what text exactly? That will help us answer your concern. Thanks Joanna On 16/09/2019, 23:48, "TF-A on behalf of Tristan Muntsinger via TF-A" <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org on behalf of tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: Hello all, It looks like the copyright guidance on this project changed about a year ago (Nov 13, 2018) to a placeholder and hasn't been corrected yet. Can this be fixed to make the license valid so the project can be legally redistributed per BSD-3 as intended? Thanks, Tristan Muntsinger -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

6 years, 5 months

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Re: [TF-A] SMC to intentionally trigger a panic in TF-A

by Julius Werner

Hi Dan, Whoops, sorry, this fell through the cracks for me since I wasn't on the to: line. Thanks for your response! > OK I can see the use of that, although I'd be a bit concerned about such a thing being available as a general service in case it gets used as an attack vector. For example, a test program could aggressively use this service to try to get the firmware to leak secure world information or something about its behaviour. Yes, of course, we can gate this with a build option so it would only be available where desired. > However, I think there might already be support for what you need. PSCI is part of the standard service and the function SYSTEM_RESET2 allows for both architectural and vendor-specific resets. The latter allows for vendor-specific semantics, which could include crashing the firmware as you suggest. > > Chrome OS could specify what such a vendor-specific reset looks like and each Chromebook's platform PSCI hooks could be implemented accordingly. Right, but defining a separate vendor-specific reset type for each platform is roughly the same as defining a separate SiP SMC for each of them. It's the same problem that the SMC/PSCI spec and the TF repository layout is only designed to deal with generic vs. SoC-vendor-specific differentiation. If the normal world OS needs a feature, we can only make it generic or duplicate it across all vendors running that OS. > Alternatively, this could potentially be defined as an additional architectural reset. This would enable a generic implementation but would require approval/definition by Arm's Architecture team. Like me they might have concerns about this being defined at a generic architectural level. Yes, I think that would be the best option. Could you kick off that process with the Architecture team? Or tell me who I should talk to about this? Thanks, Julius

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License

by Tristan Muntsinger

Hello all, It looks like the copyright guidance on this project changed about a year ago (Nov 13, 2018) to a placeholder and hasn't been corrected yet. Can this be fixed to make the license valid so the project can be legally redistributed per BSD-3 as intended? Thanks, Tristan Muntsinger

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Re: [TF-A] About next release

by Joanna Farley

Hi Yann, You are quite correct. We will be looking to create a v2.2 tag release sometime early to mid October. You can expect a more formal notification and a request to get any patches submitted in the next week or so. As in previous releases master will be generally locked for a week or so while closedown testing is performed although we will assess incoming patches to see if they can be taken with low risk. Joanna On 16/09/2019, 13:19, "TF-A on behalf of Yann GAUTIER via TF-A" <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org on behalf of tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: Hi, From the wiki page https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_a/tf-a_release_information/, the next v2.2 tag may be released soon. But the exact timeframe is not yet published. The wiki page might be updated if you have more information. When do you expect to release tag v2.2? What will be the deadline to send patches upstream? Thanks, Yann -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

6 years, 5 months

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About next release

by Yann GAUTIER

Hi, >From the wiki page https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_a/tf-a_release_information/, the next v2.2 tag may be released soon. But the exact timeframe is not yet published. The wiki page might be updated if you have more information. When do you expect to release tag v2.2? What will be the deadline to send patches upstream? Thanks, Yann

6 years, 5 months

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Re: [TF-A] On supporting unmaintained platforms and downstream projects

by Julius Werner

Hi Soby, > Hi Julius, > Apologize for the radio silence as I was on sabbatical. Yes, I agree the > project needs to have a clear policy around platforms. We will get this > started on our end and send a policy proposal for review. No problem, thanks to Sandrine for taking care of it so quickly. Unfortunately we now discovered that we're still stuck on the same issue with MT8173. Could one of you please help getting https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/990/31 landed to fix that too? Thanks, Julius

6 years, 5 months

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Merge Tegra platform changes

by Varun Wadekar

Hello Soby/Joanna, We would like to upstream support for a new Tegra platform along with some other changes. The last time I checked, there were more than 400 changes waiting to be upstreamed. Can someone help me with the best/fastest approach to start upstreaming? Previously, we would upstream changes in big chunks (as branches) but I don't know if that approach still works. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [TF-A] On supporting unmaintained platforms and downstream projects

by Julius Werner

Hi Soby, > Hmm, if we merge a non-trivial patch and ensure the build works, then we > do not know whether it runs correctly, whether there are any runtime > effects that would affect stability/robustness of the platform that even > might have security implications. Hence, in my view, it is better to > have a broken build for the platform, rather than have runtime problems. > > The project could form a policy that if a platform remains broken for > more than 2 releases (1 year by current release intervals), then it will > get removed from the tree after giving enough notifications. Thanks, yes, I think it would be good to have a clear policy on this, whatever it is. I would still like to make a case for keeping these platforms in the tree on a best-effort basis. You're right that there's a chance for untested patches to cause all sorts of runtime errors, but I think that may still be better than a platform that doesn't build at all. A platform that doesn't build doesn't benefit anyone. A platform that may have errors still has a chance of working, and even if it doesn't it gives a third-party contributor or hobby developer who wants to start using it a chance to fix it up again. This is something we occasionally see happening with some of our older, less maintained platforms in coreboot. But if it doesn't even build, the chance of someone coming along to fix it seem very slim, because then more and more build issues will keep piling up over time. (In fact, I doubt there's even any point in keeping broken stuff in the tree for another year as you proposed... likely all that would do is confuse people who are trying to refactor project-wide APIs. Code that's never build-tested just bit rots very quickly. I think at that point you might as well remove it from the repo immediately.) It's true that there may also be security issues (which is more serious), but I'm skeptical that this really makes a lot of difference. After all, this may happen even while the platform is still actively maintained. Just testing whether it boots doesn't make sure you have no security issues anyway. Maybe a way to make this more visible instead could be to introduce a new ALLOW_UNMAINTAINED_PLATFORM=1 make variable that the user has to explicitly set to build a platform without active maintainer? That could serve as a warning that the code may not be safe to use for critical applications anymore while still giving developers access to something if they're willing to deal with possible issues. Anyway, whatever the policy may be, a more defined process would help. I think the initial messaging around the console deprecation plan was fine, but it would have been good to have another explicit announcement when the CI actually gets turned off for a platform.

6 years, 6 months

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Re: [TF-A] broken link in phabricator wiki

by Sandrine Bailleux

Hi Leif, On 9/3/19 3:16 AM, Leif Lindholm via TF-A wrote: > On page https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_a/gerrit-getting-started/ > the link to "new TF-A Contribution Guidelines" points at > https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/about/contribut…, > which is a dead link. > I expect it is meant to be pointing to > https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/about/docs/proc…. You're right, thanks for pointing it out. We forgot to update this page when the docs hierarchy got restructured some time ago. This is now fixed. Regards, Sandrine

6 years, 6 months

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broken link in phabricator wiki

by Leif Lindholm

Hi there, On page https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_a/gerrit-getting-started/ the link to "new TF-A Contribution Guidelines" points at https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/about/contribut…, which is a dead link. I expect it is meant to be pointing to https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/about/docs/proc…. Best Regards, Leif

6 years, 6 months

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Re: [TF-A] On supporting unmaintained platforms and downstream projects

by Sandrine Bailleux

Hi Julius, On 8/27/19 9:55 PM, Julius Werner via TF-A wrote: > Could either of you please help get the Tegra fix in > https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/1192 > landed (and subsequently CI for Tegra re-enabled)? It has been > reviewed and approved for two weeks but nobody is merging it. This is > blocking more and more work across all coreboot-based platforms so I > would appreciate if we could get it resolved quickly. Apologies for the delay. As you may have seen, the patch has now been merged, and we've also re-enabled the Tegra builds in the CI. Regards, Sandrine

6 years, 6 months

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Re: [TF-A] On supporting unmaintained platforms and downstream projects

by Julius Werner

Hi Soby, Joanna, Could either of you please help get the Tegra fix in https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/1192 landed (and subsequently CI for Tegra re-enabled)? It has been reviewed and approved for two weeks but nobody is merging it. This is blocking more and more work across all coreboot-based platforms so I would appreciate if we could get it resolved quickly. Thanks, Julius

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Ultra96-V1 stops booting since b8e39f49e634

by Jan Kiszka

Hi all, I've bisected a boot issue of my Ultra96 version 1 down to commit [1]. U-Boot plays no role, I tried current master, 2019.07 and 2019.01. What might be related: I'm using pre-built fsbl, pmu-fw and bitstream from Alex' OpenSUSE packages [2][3][4]. Build steps are as described in [5]. Meanwhile, I rebuilt at least the pmu-fw from current embeddedsw git (c12743e5d7b0), but also without any impact on the issue. Any idea what could be wrong and why specifically this commit triggers it? I'd like to lift everything to a recent ATF version because of compilation issues with currently used 1.6 and newer gcc releases. Thanks, Jan [1] https://github.com/ARM-software/arm-trusted-firmware/commit/b8e39f49e634 [2] https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/ARM:/Factory:/Contrib:/Zy… [3] https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/ARM:/Factory:/Contrib:/Zy… [4] https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/ARM:/Factory:/Contrib:/Zy… [5] https://github.com/siemens/jailhouse-images/blob/v0.11/recipes-bsp/u-boot/f…

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Re: [TF-A] SMC to intentionally trigger a panic in TF-A

by Dan Handley

Hi Julius > -----Original Message----- > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Julius > Werner via TF-A > Sent: 20 August 2019 02:15 > > Hi Soby et. al., > > I'd like to implement a small new feature and ask some guidance for how to go > about it: Chrome OS has the ability to automatically collect crash reports > from runtime crashes in Trusted Firmware, and we would like to set up > automated tests to ensure this feature stays working. > In order to do this we need a way for the non-secure OS to intentionally > trigger a panic in EL3. The obvious solution would be to implement a new SMC > for that. (It's common for operating systems to have similar facilities, e.g. > Linux can force a kernel panic by writing 'c' into /proc/sysrq-trigger.) > OK I can see the use of that, although I'd be a bit concerned about such a thing being available as a general service in case it gets used as an attack vector. For example, a test program could aggressively use this service to try to get the firmware to leak secure world information or something about its behaviour. > My main question is: where should I get an SMC function ID for this? > This is not a silicon or OEM specific feature, so the SiP Service Calls and > OEM Service Calls ID ranges seem inappropriate (or do you think it would make > sense to treat Google or Chrome OS as the "OEM" > here, even though that's not quite accurate?). I guess in theory you could mandate that all Chrome OS SiPs provide a specific function ID in their own specific SiP service, but I don't think that's the right solution here... > There are ranges for Trusted > Applications and the Trusted OS but unfortunately none for the normal world > OS. I don't think the TOS range is right either. > Is this something that would make sense to allocate under Standard > Service Calls? Could you just find an ID for me to use there or does > everything in that range need a big specification document written by Arm? > For sure everything in the standard or architectural ranges require specification by Arm, although this does not necessarily need to be big. However, I think there might already be support for what you need. PSCI is part of the standard service and the function SYSTEM_RESET2 allows for both architectural and vendor-specific resets. The latter allows for vendor-specific semantics, which could include crashing the firmware as you suggest. Chrome OS could specify what such a vendor-specific reset looks like and each Chromebook's platform PSCI hooks could be implemented accordingly. Alternatively, this could potentially be defined as an additional architectural reset. This would enable a generic implementation but would require approval/definition by Arm's Architecture team. Like me they might have concerns about this being defined at a generic architectural level. Regards Dan. IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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SMC to intentionally trigger a panic in TF-A

by Julius Werner

Hi Soby et. al., I'd like to implement a small new feature and ask some guidance for how to go about it: Chrome OS has the ability to automatically collect crash reports from runtime crashes in Trusted Firmware, and we would like to set up automated tests to ensure this feature stays working. In order to do this we need a way for the non-secure OS to intentionally trigger a panic in EL3. The obvious solution would be to implement a new SMC for that. (It's common for operating systems to have similar facilities, e.g. Linux can force a kernel panic by writing 'c' into /proc/sysrq-trigger.) My main question is: where should I get an SMC function ID for this? This is not a silicon or OEM specific feature, so the SiP Service Calls and OEM Service Calls ID ranges seem inappropriate (or do you think it would make sense to treat Google or Chrome OS as the "OEM" here, even though that's not quite accurate?). There are ranges for Trusted Applications and the Trusted OS but unfortunately none for the normal world OS. Is this something that would make sense to allocate under Standard Service Calls? Could you just find an ID for me to use there or does everything in that range need a big specification document written by Arm? Thanks, Julius

6 years, 6 months

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Re: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the PMCR_EL0 across world switching

by Alexei Fedorov

Hi Marek The patch is available at https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/1789 Regards. Alexei ________________________________ From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Joanna Farley via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Sent: 19 August 2019 11:41 To: Marek <marek.bykowski(a)gmail.com> Cc: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Subject: Re: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the PMCR_EL0 across world switching Hi Marek, Changes are in review so hopefully soon. Joanna On 19/08/2019, 10:56, "TF-A on behalf of Marek via TF-A" <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org on behalf of tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: Hi Dan, Are there any time estimates when the fix should be in? Thanks, Marek On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 22:46, Marek via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: > > Thank you Dan for checking this out. Looking forward into the fix. > > Marek > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 17:52, Dan Handley via TF-A > <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Marek > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Typically we expect any timing sensitive secure operations to be implemented at Secure-EL1 or lower, which the current code does protect. However, you are correct that all secure world code including EL3 should not expose timing information. A fix is in progress to address this. > > > > Regards > > > > Dan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Marek > > > Bykowski via TF-A > > > Sent: 03 August 2019 07:37 > > > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; David Cunado <David.Cunado(a)arm.com> > > > Subject: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the > > > PMCR_EL0 across world switching > > > > > > Hi David/ATF Support, > > > > > > An excerpt from the commit message to CVE-2017-15031 is "Additionally, > > > PMCR_EL0 is added to the list of registers that are saved and restored during > > > a world switch." > > > > > > My question is why it is only being saved/restored across the world switch > > > and not during a "normal" SMC call? When I do modify the > > > PMCR_EL0 in EL2 or NonSecure-EL1 and run the smc call the PMCCNTR counter > > > counts during the smc call and does expose secure world timing information to > > > NonSecure in that matter. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Marek > > > -- > > > TF-A mailing list > > > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > > > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. > > -- > > TF-A mailing list > > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a > > > > -- > Slán, > Marek > -- > TF-A mailing list > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a -- Slán, Marek -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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Re: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the PMCR_EL0 across world switching

by Joanna Farley

Hi Marek, Changes are in review so hopefully soon. Joanna On 19/08/2019, 10:56, "TF-A on behalf of Marek via TF-A" <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org on behalf of tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: Hi Dan, Are there any time estimates when the fix should be in? Thanks, Marek On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 22:46, Marek via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: > > Thank you Dan for checking this out. Looking forward into the fix. > > Marek > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 17:52, Dan Handley via TF-A > <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Marek > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Typically we expect any timing sensitive secure operations to be implemented at Secure-EL1 or lower, which the current code does protect. However, you are correct that all secure world code including EL3 should not expose timing information. A fix is in progress to address this. > > > > Regards > > > > Dan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Marek > > > Bykowski via TF-A > > > Sent: 03 August 2019 07:37 > > > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; David Cunado <David.Cunado(a)arm.com> > > > Subject: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the > > > PMCR_EL0 across world switching > > > > > > Hi David/ATF Support, > > > > > > An excerpt from the commit message to CVE-2017-15031 is "Additionally, > > > PMCR_EL0 is added to the list of registers that are saved and restored during > > > a world switch." > > > > > > My question is why it is only being saved/restored across the world switch > > > and not during a "normal" SMC call? When I do modify the > > > PMCR_EL0 in EL2 or NonSecure-EL1 and run the smc call the PMCCNTR counter > > > counts during the smc call and does expose secure world timing information to > > > NonSecure in that matter. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Marek > > > -- > > > TF-A mailing list > > > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > > > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. > > -- > > TF-A mailing list > > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a > > > > -- > Slán, > Marek > -- > TF-A mailing list > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a -- Slán, Marek -- TF-A mailing list TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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Re: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the PMCR_EL0 across world switching

by Marek

Hi Dan, Are there any time estimates when the fix should be in? Thanks, Marek On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 22:46, Marek via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: > > Thank you Dan for checking this out. Looking forward into the fix. > > Marek > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 17:52, Dan Handley via TF-A > <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Marek > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Typically we expect any timing sensitive secure operations to be implemented at Secure-EL1 or lower, which the current code does protect. However, you are correct that all secure world code including EL3 should not expose timing information. A fix is in progress to address this. > > > > Regards > > > > Dan. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Marek > > > Bykowski via TF-A > > > Sent: 03 August 2019 07:37 > > > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; David Cunado <David.Cunado(a)arm.com> > > > Subject: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the > > > PMCR_EL0 across world switching > > > > > > Hi David/ATF Support, > > > > > > An excerpt from the commit message to CVE-2017-15031 is "Additionally, > > > PMCR_EL0 is added to the list of registers that are saved and restored during > > > a world switch." > > > > > > My question is why it is only being saved/restored across the world switch > > > and not during a "normal" SMC call? When I do modify the > > > PMCR_EL0 in EL2 or NonSecure-EL1 and run the smc call the PMCCNTR counter > > > counts during the smc call and does expose secure world timing information to > > > NonSecure in that matter. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Marek > > > -- > > > TF-A mailing list > > > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > > > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. > > -- > > TF-A mailing list > > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a > > > > -- > Slán, > Marek > -- > TF-A mailing list > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a -- Slán, Marek

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Re: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the PMCR_EL0 across world switching

by Marek

Thank you Dan for checking this out. Looking forward into the fix. Marek On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 17:52, Dan Handley via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: > > Hi Marek > > Thanks for pointing this out. Typically we expect any timing sensitive secure operations to be implemented at Secure-EL1 or lower, which the current code does protect. However, you are correct that all secure world code including EL3 should not expose timing information. A fix is in progress to address this. > > Regards > > Dan. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Marek > > Bykowski via TF-A > > Sent: 03 August 2019 07:37 > > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; David Cunado <David.Cunado(a)arm.com> > > Subject: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the > > PMCR_EL0 across world switching > > > > Hi David/ATF Support, > > > > An excerpt from the commit message to CVE-2017-15031 is "Additionally, > > PMCR_EL0 is added to the list of registers that are saved and restored during > > a world switch." > > > > My question is why it is only being saved/restored across the world switch > > and not during a "normal" SMC call? When I do modify the > > PMCR_EL0 in EL2 or NonSecure-EL1 and run the smc call the PMCCNTR counter > > counts during the smc call and does expose secure world timing information to > > NonSecure in that matter. > > > > Thanks, > > Marek > > -- > > TF-A mailing list > > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. > -- > TF-A mailing list > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a -- Slán, Marek

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Re: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the PMCR_EL0 across world switching

by Dan Handley

Hi Marek Thanks for pointing this out. Typically we expect any timing sensitive secure operations to be implemented at Secure-EL1 or lower, which the current code does protect. However, you are correct that all secure world code including EL3 should not expose timing information. A fix is in progress to address this. Regards Dan. > -----Original Message----- > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Marek > Bykowski via TF-A > Sent: 03 August 2019 07:37 > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; David Cunado <David.Cunado(a)arm.com> > Subject: [TF-A] Advisory TFV 5 to CVE-2017-15031 only saves/stores the > PMCR_EL0 across world switching > > Hi David/ATF Support, > > An excerpt from the commit message to CVE-2017-15031 is "Additionally, > PMCR_EL0 is added to the list of registers that are saved and restored during > a world switch." > > My question is why it is only being saved/restored across the world switch > and not during a "normal" SMC call? When I do modify the > PMCR_EL0 in EL2 or NonSecure-EL1 and run the smc call the PMCCNTR counter > counts during the smc call and does expose secure world timing information to > NonSecure in that matter. > > Thanks, > Marek > -- > TF-A mailing list > TF-A(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org > https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/mailman/listinfo/tf-a IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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On supporting unmaintained platforms and downstream projects

by Julius Werner

Hi Soby et. al., I wanna kick off a little discussion about how TF-A intends to deal with in-tree platform ports as they get older and the interest in maintaining them drops off. Concretely, I noticed that the plat/nvidia/tegra platforms no longer build since the removal of the deprecated console API in https://review.trustedfirmware.org/842 last month. There has been a patch suggestion to fix it uploaded at https://review.trustedfirmware.org/1192 for two months, but it hasn't moved forward because it seems that Arm thinks it's on the platform maintainer (Nvidia) to finish up and test the patch, and they don't seem to be responding. This creates a problem for downstream projects like coreboot and Chrome OS that use Trusted Firmware on Tegra chips and build-test them in their CI systems. My assumption when setting up the Trusted Firmware integration for them was that the Trusted Firmware CI would build test all in-tree platforms for every commit anyway, so we could always assume that all platforms build on the current master... but clearly, that assumption broke in this case. (I guess because you manually overrode the CI in https://review.trustedfirmware.org/842? Or does it not test all platforms anyway?) So now, coreboot is stuck on an old TF-A version and cannot move forward for any platform until we either kick out the Tegra SoCs or get the problem fixed in TF-A (which is a problem with the testing because I don't have a Tegra board on hand either). How do you think we should solve issues like this? Is keeping platforms that don't build in the tree an intended state? Is there some deadline after which you intend to remove the platform completely? Or would it be better to just merge "best effort" commits like https://review.trustedfirmware.org/1192 that we think should do the right thing for the platform (and at least makes it build again), even if nobody is around to test it on real hardware? To give some experience from the coreboot project, I think it's an unfortunate truth that SoC vendors just tend to lose interest in maintaining hardware once it's more than 2-3 years old. At that point the open-source community has to jump in to continue maintenance, and they can only do it on a best effort basis. It's not possible to always find someone with the right hardware and time to test it for all these old platforms whenever you're trying to do some large, project wide API change, so eventually you'll just have to accept patches that haven't been tested for them. Most of the times (if reviewers pay attention) it works well, sometimes they break. If they do, eventually someone will notice and then they'll have to bisect and fix it. I believe Linux is essentially doing the same thing for lesser-used hardware. It's either that, or you have to constantly kick out old platforms after a few years. (From the coreboot point of view, kicking the Tegra platforms out of TF-A would mean we're forced to remove them from coreboot as well, which would be unfortunate.) Let me know what you think! Julius

6 years, 7 months

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Re: [TF-A] On supporting unmaintained platforms and downstream projects

by Joanna Farley

Hi Julius, It’s a valid issue you have raised. In general we rely on the platform maintainer to work with us to keep their platform port fresh and in this case we proposed some changes and was looking for feedback from the maintainer. We try in our internal standups at least once a week to look for patch reviews that have had no work on them for 21 days and if we do identify any we start chasing to progress these. Eventually if after several attempts we cannot get the patch to progress we would generally look to abandon if it’s the patch originator we cannot contact. In this case it was the platform maintainer who we needed a review from and you managed to get Varun to notice the patches. If we had not managed to contact them then we would have had to make a call on if to submit the changes or not to at least get the build working even though we would not be able to test them. I would like to think in the case of a broken build we would take that option rather than abandon. I think this issue is made a little worse in that the CI results are not yet open so not obvious to everybody although hopefully that will be eventually addressed with the proposed Open CI system on trustedfirmware.org where build results will be available. On top of that if partners want to engage in providing a board available that could be integrated into the LAVA farm that’s part of the CI system and would also be tested. Joanna On 03/08/2019, 01:10, "TF-A on behalf of Julius Werner via TF-A" <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org on behalf of tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote: > Thanks for the email, Julius. To be clear, we very well intend to be part of the TF-A project. Having said that, I was not aware of the two commits you mentioned in the email and di not know that Tegra builds are broken in the master branch. Thanks. You were CCed on the patch so I assumed you would've seen it. If not, maybe your email address isn't set correctly in your Gerrit account or something? I've already pushed an update to https://review.trustedfirmware.org/1192 which I think should fix the issue for Tegra, but I need someone to test it. Nevertheless, I think it's a good idea to answer these questions in a general case (e.g. whether we can make sure that we won't break the build on master even if there are temporary issues with certain platforms), because it's probably going to become relevant again sooner or later even if the Tegra issue gets fixed now. IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.

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