Hi,
The patchset https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/trusted-firmware-m/+/3620 removes the header `tfm_veneers.h` from PSA IPC API source files. If there are no objects then can this patchset be merged?
Thanks,
Dev
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Ken,
Our use case is to support a "secure driver":
1) A peripheral can only be accessed in secure mode.
2) The peripheral is configured and a hardware process is triggered within the peripheral.
3) When the process completes, a secure interrupt is triggered.
4) The NS thread that is using this driver should block (allowing other NS threads to run) while waiting for the hardware process to complete and resume when the process is finished.
Alan
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Hi Alan,
It (8.3.5) is one of the cases can be dealt with, and now it is not detail defined yet. Can you describe what your practical purpose for S/NS interactive is so that we could collect feedbacks to check if the rules are applicable?
/Ken
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Mention is made to "SPM_IDLE" in the Cooperative Scheduling Rules document:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…
I'm struggling to understand section 8.3.5 which references SPM_IDLE but doesn't really define it. Is there more info on this topic? It appears to be a proposed solution for allowing other NS threads to be scheduled while the current NS thread is waiting for an asynchronous event in the secure service it has called.
Alan
Thanks Tamas,
Did you try with CC312 disabled as well? I am wondering if you would be able to at least reproduce what I saw.
Ray
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Hi,
We did measurements on Musca-B1 with enabled CC312. We did 10 run with both compiler( armclang and gnuarm). RSA2048 key generation takes 10-35 sec. In average gnuarm seems a bit slower. I suspect the reason behind that random number still need to be tested that are they fit for rsa2048 generation (might are they primes?) and the testing algorithm is might faster with armclang.
But for sure we have not seen any run which could take minutes.
Tamas
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
If the platform has on-chip NVM then you should consider using NV seed entropy. You still need a TRNG to get the initial entropy, but seems like it could improve average runtime performance. I believe there's a macro like MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_NV_SEED that you have to enable, as well as providing the hooks to read/write the flash.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Ray,
That is good information. The software RNG is not truly random and is not production quality. The predictable timing could be an indicator that the randomness is reproducible. That's all I know, but the mbed-crypto team may have more inputs and they can be queried here : https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/issues
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Soby,
Musca-B1 has CC312 support which will introduce an rng for this purpose. Unfortunately, I didn't test Musca-B1 with cc312 enabled and I don't have a board now to test with.
However, I did test with a h/w rng on the PSoC64 and the performance isn't always better. When using s/w, the time it takes was quite consistent at 1.5 minutes or 5.5 minutes depending on toolchain. After introducing the h/w rng, I've seen it finish quickly (less than a minute) but I've also seen it take 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Ray
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I've run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I've seen it take even longer - I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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Hi Thomas,
Thanks your mail.
For your 1st question. There is indeed a problem to build the PSA arch crypto test on the Musca_a board for the RAM size is too small. I suggest you split the crypto tests into different test images on the Musca_a board.
For the 2nd question, I only test that on FVP AN521 but never met this problem. We will test that on the MPS2 AN521 board soon to check if it is a real problem. If yes, we will try to fix that quickly.
Thanks,
Edison
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Triggered by Rays mail on slow RSA key pair generation, I built and tried to run the tests, but ran into a couple of issues:
1) I attempted to build it for the Musca A, but apparently that doesn't have enough RAM to run these tests
2) Switching to an MPS2+ with AN521 configuration I see that the baud rate on the UART appears wrong when running the tests.
mcuboot produces correct messages at 115200 bps, as does the normal ConfigRegression* tests, but the ConfigPsaApiTest* appears to produce just garbage.
Is there a setting I need to set to get any useful data on the terminal when running the ConfigPsaApiTests?
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Note that you'll still to re-seed from the TRNG periodically, but doesn't have to be done every time the application needs a random number.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
If the platform has on-chip NVM then you should consider using NV seed entropy. You still need a TRNG to get the initial entropy, but seems like it could improve average runtime performance. I believe there's a macro like MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_NV_SEED that you have to enable, as well as providing the hooks to read/write the flash.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Ray,
That is good information. The software RNG is not truly random and is not production quality. The predictable timing could be an indicator that the randomness is reproducible. That’s all I know, but the mbed-crypto team may have more inputs and they can be queried here : https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/issues
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Soby,
Musca-B1 has CC312 support which will introduce an rng for this purpose. Unfortunately, I didn’t test Musca-B1 with cc312 enabled and I don’t have a board now to test with.
However, I did test with a h/w rng on the PSoC64 and the performance isn’t always better. When using s/w, the time it takes was quite consistent at 1.5 minutes or 5.5 minutes depending on toolchain. After introducing the h/w rng, I’ve seen it finish quickly (less than a minute) but I’ve also seen it take 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Ray
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I’ve run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I’ve seen it take even longer – I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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Hi,
We did measurements on Musca-B1 with enabled CC312. We did 10 run with both compiler( armclang and gnuarm). RSA2048 key generation takes 10-35 sec. In average gnuarm seems a bit slower. I suspect the reason behind that random number still need to be tested that are they fit for rsa2048 generation (might are they primes?) and the testing algorithm is might faster with armclang.
But for sure we have not seen any run which could take minutes.
Tamas
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
If the platform has on-chip NVM then you should consider using NV seed entropy. You still need a TRNG to get the initial entropy, but seems like it could improve average runtime performance. I believe there's a macro like MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_NV_SEED that you have to enable, as well as providing the hooks to read/write the flash.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Ray,
That is good information. The software RNG is not truly random and is not production quality. The predictable timing could be an indicator that the randomness is reproducible. That's all I know, but the mbed-crypto team may have more inputs and they can be queried here : https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/issues
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Soby,
Musca-B1 has CC312 support which will introduce an rng for this purpose. Unfortunately, I didn't test Musca-B1 with cc312 enabled and I don't have a board now to test with.
However, I did test with a h/w rng on the PSoC64 and the performance isn't always better. When using s/w, the time it takes was quite consistent at 1.5 minutes or 5.5 minutes depending on toolchain. After introducing the h/w rng, I've seen it finish quickly (less than a minute) but I've also seen it take 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Ray
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I've run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I've seen it take even longer - I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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If the platform has on-chip NVM then you should consider using NV seed entropy. You still need a TRNG to get the initial entropy, but seems like it could improve average runtime performance. I believe there's a macro like MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_NV_SEED that you have to enable, as well as providing the hooks to read/write the flash.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Ray,
That is good information. The software RNG is not truly random and is not production quality. The predictable timing could be an indicator that the randomness is reproducible. That’s all I know, but the mbed-crypto team may have more inputs and they can be queried here : https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/issues
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Soby,
Musca-B1 has CC312 support which will introduce an rng for this purpose. Unfortunately, I didn’t test Musca-B1 with cc312 enabled and I don’t have a board now to test with.
However, I did test with a h/w rng on the PSoC64 and the performance isn’t always better. When using s/w, the time it takes was quite consistent at 1.5 minutes or 5.5 minutes depending on toolchain. After introducing the h/w rng, I’ve seen it finish quickly (less than a minute) but I’ve also seen it take 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Ray
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I’ve run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I’ve seen it take even longer – I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I've run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I've seen it take even longer - I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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Triggered by Rays mail on slow RSA key pair generation, I built and
tried to run the tests, but ran into a couple of issues:
1) I attempted to build it for the Musca A, but apparently that doesn't
have enough RAM to run these tests
2) Switching to an MPS2+ with AN521 configuration I see that the baud
rate on the UART appears wrong when running the tests.
mcuboot produces correct messages at 115200 bps, as does the normal
ConfigRegression* tests, but the ConfigPsaApiTest* appears to produce
just garbage.
Is there a setting I need to set to get any useful data on the terminal
when running the ConfigPsaApiTests?
Cheers,
Thomas
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Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I've run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I've seen it take even longer - I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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Thanks,
The library model seems to treat the entire SPE as a single resource as it appears to lock and only allow a single entry at a time:
/* This is the "Big Lock" on the secure side, to guarantee single entry
* to SPE
*/
extern int32_t tfm_secure_lock;
Is this a limitation of the current implementation or is this the envisioned design for the library model?
If the latter, is there a technical/security reason why only a single entry is allowed? Or is it that no use-case to allow multiple entry has been discussed.
To back up a bit, we have use cases where I would like to see the NSPE RTOS make all the scheduling decisions and further have all the secure peripheral resources be managed individually with respect to blocking threads.
The IPC model seems to be built around having a scheduler in the SPM and the library model seems to preclude the ability to manage secure peripherals individually.
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Hi Erik,
Yes, the two working models are mutually exclusive, and the model is selected compile time, by choosing a corresponding config cmake file.
I'm afraid there isn't a comprehensive specification for the Library model, like for IPC model.
For examples on calling services in library model, you can have a look in the Secure Service API implementations. Look in interface/src for NS, and in the directory of the services, for example services/initial_attestation/tfm_attestation_secure_api.c for secure examples.
The working model specific code parts that are in common files are (across the whole TF-M codebase) guarded by the TFM_PSA_API define:
#ifdef TFM_PSA_API
/* IPC model implementation */
#else /* TFM_PSA_API */
/* Library model implementation */
#endif /* TFM_PSA_API */
If a source file is IPC model specific it has 'ipc' in its name, or is in a directory called 'ipc'. Library model specific files have 'func' in their name.
Regards,
Mate
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Mate,
Thanks for providing your time to respond. Understanding there are two models in play helps a lot. A few follow up questions...
Can you confirm that the models are mutually exclusive?
This page indicates to me that they are mutually exclusive: https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…
Or are there provisions to allow a system to run both models on the _same_ execution node? For example running both on the same v7 or v8 with TrustZone core.
If there are provisions for this, where can I go to get a better understanding of them?
Also, is there any spec for the library model beyond the API descriptions in the CMSIS documentation (https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/using_TrustZone_pg.html#RT…
If not, then I'll rely on reading the existing code.
Please feel free to point me more documentation if I can get answers there. (I don't mind a friendly "read the manual" or "run this example code.")
Thanks again for your time.
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
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Cc: nd
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Hi Erik,
Your mail contains quite a few questions. I'll try to give an overview in the topic you are asking, hoping that it is going to answer most (hopefully all) questions. If there is anything left unanswered, please follow up.
So currently TF-M supports two working model: IPC model, and Library model. Library model has no scheduling on the secure side, secure services are called like normal functions.
The IPC model contains a simple scheduler. (IPC model is an implementation of the PSA Firmware Framework for M (PSA-FF-M): https://developer.arm.com/-/media/Files/pdf/PlatformSecurityArchitecture/Ar… ) In this model, all the secure partitions have a runtime context associated with them. They have a separate stack, and their runtime state is saved when they are not scheduled by the Secure scheduler. This means that the number of secure contexts is determined compile time.
'Cooperative Scheduling Rules' document is a proposal of how a Non-Secure and a Secure scheduler should work together, to efficiently handle secure and non-secure asynchronous events. Currently The Secure scheduler has no knowledge of the state of the NS scheduler, and vice-versa. There is a roadmap item 'Scheduler - Initial Support' (currently without deadline) at https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_m/planning/ which refers to this.
The RTOS Thread Context Management API implementation had been added to TF-M, to support a feature called TF-M Non-Secure client identification. It is used by the
/**
* \brief Stores caller's client id in state context
*/
void tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler(const uint32_t svc_args[]);
API that is available for the secure services. Through this API secure services can distinguish Non-Secure clients.
TF-M manages a database of clients reported by the Non secure software (through the TZ_*APIs), and also tracks the ID of the currently active client. That client ID is returned by 'tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler' (in case the Secure Service was called from Non-Secure code)
Please note that the 'tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler' API is only supported in Library model. The TZ_* APIs are implemented in the NSPM module: secure_fw/core/tfm_nspm_func.c.
The IPC model's implementation of the NSPM module is empty: secure_fw/core/tfm_nspm_ipc.c
The original idea behind the RTOS Thread Context Management API is that the Secure context creation (allocating stack, and other supporting data structures) and destruction is initiated from the Non-Secure code. The number of active secure contexts is decided by the NS code in run time (of course if there is no more resource, the context creation fails). On scheduling, the non-secure SW notifies the secure code, to activate the context for the thread to be scheduled. This results in setting the secure stack pointer to the desired context (hence the "prepare"). After the NS Scheduler returns to the thread, the Secure or the Non-Secure code continues execution, depending on whether Secure, or Non-Secure execution had been interrupted by the NS scheduling.
Neither the single secure context design of the library model, and the above described design of the IPC model supports this approach, and that's why the semantics of the APIs in TF-M are different in TF-M.
Regards,
Mate
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Subject: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Hello everyone, I'm new to the list. Quick introduction: I work at Texas Instruments and I'm investigating TFM for use in some of our platforms here.
I'm trying to understand the scheduling and task architecture for PSA and the TFM implementation and how that intersects with NS tasks.
I found the following:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/group__context__trustzone_…
The existing TFM implementation doesn't seem to do much with the tz_context interface. It looks like it tracks which NS client is active, but I don't see where it uses that information to do anything.
Am I missing something?
I'd like to understand more about where TFM is going with the tz_context interface.
Will there be a tz_context focused scheduler? I can imagine one where the SPM associates NS clients with running Secure Partitions and resumes execution of a running a Secure Partition when the NS RTOS indicates the NS client is "active." But it isn't clear to me if this is the direction or not.
I note that the text for TZ_LoadContext_S says "**Prepare** the secure context for execution so that a thread in the non-secure state can call secure library modules." Preparing sounds different than immediate execution.
Are there other documents I can read or source implementations I can reference to get more of a handle on this?
Thanks,
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
Texas Instruments
Hi Erik,
Yes, the two working models are mutually exclusive, and the model is selected compile time, by choosing a corresponding config cmake file.
I'm afraid there isn't a comprehensive specification for the Library model, like for IPC model.
For examples on calling services in library model, you can have a look in the Secure Service API implementations. Look in interface/src for NS, and in the directory of the services, for example services/initial_attestation/tfm_attestation_secure_api.c for secure examples.
The working model specific code parts that are in common files are (across the whole TF-M codebase) guarded by the TFM_PSA_API define:
#ifdef TFM_PSA_API
/* IPC model implementation */
#else /* TFM_PSA_API */
/* Library model implementation */
#endif /* TFM_PSA_API */
If a source file is IPC model specific it has 'ipc' in its name, or is in a directory called 'ipc'. Library model specific files have 'func' in their name.
Regards,
Mate
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Shreve, Erik via TF-M
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 1:34 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Subject: Re: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Mate,
Thanks for providing your time to respond. Understanding there are two models in play helps a lot. A few follow up questions...
Can you confirm that the models are mutually exclusive?
This page indicates to me that they are mutually exclusive: https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…
Or are there provisions to allow a system to run both models on the _same_ execution node? For example running both on the same v7 or v8 with TrustZone core.
If there are provisions for this, where can I go to get a better understanding of them?
Also, is there any spec for the library model beyond the API descriptions in the CMSIS documentation (https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/using_TrustZone_pg.html#RT…
If not, then I'll rely on reading the existing code.
Please feel free to point me more documentation if I can get answers there. (I don't mind a friendly "read the manual" or "run this example code.")
Thanks again for your time.
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
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Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:34 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Cc: nd
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Hi Erik,
Your mail contains quite a few questions. I'll try to give an overview in the topic you are asking, hoping that it is going to answer most (hopefully all) questions. If there is anything left unanswered, please follow up.
So currently TF-M supports two working model: IPC model, and Library model. Library model has no scheduling on the secure side, secure services are called like normal functions.
The IPC model contains a simple scheduler. (IPC model is an implementation of the PSA Firmware Framework for M (PSA-FF-M): https://developer.arm.com/-/media/Files/pdf/PlatformSecurityArchitecture/Ar… ) In this model, all the secure partitions have a runtime context associated with them. They have a separate stack, and their runtime state is saved when they are not scheduled by the Secure scheduler. This means that the number of secure contexts is determined compile time.
'Cooperative Scheduling Rules' document is a proposal of how a Non-Secure and a Secure scheduler should work together, to efficiently handle secure and non-secure asynchronous events. Currently The Secure scheduler has no knowledge of the state of the NS scheduler, and vice-versa. There is a roadmap item 'Scheduler - Initial Support' (currently without deadline) at https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_m/planning/ which refers to this.
The RTOS Thread Context Management API implementation had been added to TF-M, to support a feature called TF-M Non-Secure client identification. It is used by the
/**
* \brief Stores caller's client id in state context
*/
void tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler(const uint32_t svc_args[]);
API that is available for the secure services. Through this API secure services can distinguish Non-Secure clients.
TF-M manages a database of clients reported by the Non secure software (through the TZ_*APIs), and also tracks the ID of the currently active client. That client ID is returned by 'tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler' (in case the Secure Service was called from Non-Secure code)
Please note that the 'tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler' API is only supported in Library model. The TZ_* APIs are implemented in the NSPM module: secure_fw/core/tfm_nspm_func.c.
The IPC model's implementation of the NSPM module is empty: secure_fw/core/tfm_nspm_ipc.c
The original idea behind the RTOS Thread Context Management API is that the Secure context creation (allocating stack, and other supporting data structures) and destruction is initiated from the Non-Secure code. The number of active secure contexts is decided by the NS code in run time (of course if there is no more resource, the context creation fails). On scheduling, the non-secure SW notifies the secure code, to activate the context for the thread to be scheduled. This results in setting the secure stack pointer to the desired context (hence the "prepare"). After the NS Scheduler returns to the thread, the Secure or the Non-Secure code continues execution, depending on whether Secure, or Non-Secure execution had been interrupted by the NS scheduling.
Neither the single secure context design of the library model, and the above described design of the IPC model supports this approach, and that's why the semantics of the APIs in TF-M are different in TF-M.
Regards,
Mate
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To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Subject: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Hello everyone, I'm new to the list. Quick introduction: I work at Texas Instruments and I'm investigating TFM for use in some of our platforms here.
I'm trying to understand the scheduling and task architecture for PSA and the TFM implementation and how that intersects with NS tasks.
I found the following:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/group__context__trustzone_…
The existing TFM implementation doesn't seem to do much with the tz_context interface. It looks like it tracks which NS client is active, but I don't see where it uses that information to do anything.
Am I missing something?
I'd like to understand more about where TFM is going with the tz_context interface.
Will there be a tz_context focused scheduler? I can imagine one where the SPM associates NS clients with running Secure Partitions and resumes execution of a running a Secure Partition when the NS RTOS indicates the NS client is "active." But it isn't clear to me if this is the direction or not.
I note that the text for TZ_LoadContext_S says "**Prepare** the secure context for execution so that a thread in the non-secure state can call secure library modules." Preparing sounds different than immediate execution.
Are there other documents I can read or source implementations I can reference to get more of a handle on this?
Thanks,
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
Texas Instruments
Mate,
Thanks for providing your time to respond. Understanding there are two models in play helps a lot. A few follow up questions...
Can you confirm that the models are mutually exclusive?
This page indicates to me that they are mutually exclusive: https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…
Or are there provisions to allow a system to run both models on the _same_ execution node? For example running both on the same v7 or v8 with TrustZone core.
If there are provisions for this, where can I go to get a better understanding of them?
Also, is there any spec for the library model beyond the API descriptions in the CMSIS documentation (https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/using_TrustZone_pg.html#RT…
If not, then I'll rely on reading the existing code.
Please feel free to point me more documentation if I can get answers there. (I don't mind a friendly "read the manual" or "run this example code.")
Thanks again for your time.
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
From: TF-M [mailto:tf-m-bounces@lists.trustedfirmware.org] On Behalf Of Mate Toth-Pal via TF-M
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:34 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Cc: nd
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Hi Erik,
Your mail contains quite a few questions. I'll try to give an overview in the topic you are asking, hoping that it is going to answer most (hopefully all) questions. If there is anything left unanswered, please follow up.
So currently TF-M supports two working model: IPC model, and Library model. Library model has no scheduling on the secure side, secure services are called like normal functions.
The IPC model contains a simple scheduler. (IPC model is an implementation of the PSA Firmware Framework for M (PSA-FF-M): https://developer.arm.com/-/media/Files/pdf/PlatformSecurityArchitecture/Ar… ) In this model, all the secure partitions have a runtime context associated with them. They have a separate stack, and their runtime state is saved when they are not scheduled by the Secure scheduler. This means that the number of secure contexts is determined compile time.
'Cooperative Scheduling Rules' document is a proposal of how a Non-Secure and a Secure scheduler should work together, to efficiently handle secure and non-secure asynchronous events. Currently The Secure scheduler has no knowledge of the state of the NS scheduler, and vice-versa. There is a roadmap item 'Scheduler - Initial Support' (currently without deadline) at https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_m/planning/ which refers to this.
The RTOS Thread Context Management API implementation had been added to TF-M, to support a feature called TF-M Non-Secure client identification. It is used by the
/**
* \brief Stores caller's client id in state context
*/
void tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler(const uint32_t svc_args[]);
API that is available for the secure services. Through this API secure services can distinguish Non-Secure clients.
TF-M manages a database of clients reported by the Non secure software (through the TZ_*APIs), and also tracks the ID of the currently active client. That client ID is returned by 'tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler' (in case the Secure Service was called from Non-Secure code)
Please note that the 'tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler' API is only supported in Library model. The TZ_* APIs are implemented in the NSPM module: secure_fw/core/tfm_nspm_func.c.
The IPC model's implementation of the NSPM module is empty: secure_fw/core/tfm_nspm_ipc.c
The original idea behind the RTOS Thread Context Management API is that the Secure context creation (allocating stack, and other supporting data structures) and destruction is initiated from the Non-Secure code. The number of active secure contexts is decided by the NS code in run time (of course if there is no more resource, the context creation fails). On scheduling, the non-secure SW notifies the secure code, to activate the context for the thread to be scheduled. This results in setting the secure stack pointer to the desired context (hence the "prepare"). After the NS Scheduler returns to the thread, the Secure or the Non-Secure code continues execution, depending on whether Secure, or Non-Secure execution had been interrupted by the NS scheduling.
Neither the single secure context design of the library model, and the above described design of the IPC model supports this approach, and that's why the semantics of the APIs in TF-M are different in TF-M.
Regards,
Mate
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Shreve, Erik via TF-M
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:07 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Subject: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Hello everyone, I'm new to the list. Quick introduction: I work at Texas Instruments and I'm investigating TFM for use in some of our platforms here.
I'm trying to understand the scheduling and task architecture for PSA and the TFM implementation and how that intersects with NS tasks.
I found the following:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/group__context__trustzone_…
The existing TFM implementation doesn't seem to do much with the tz_context interface. It looks like it tracks which NS client is active, but I don't see where it uses that information to do anything.
Am I missing something?
I'd like to understand more about where TFM is going with the tz_context interface.
Will there be a tz_context focused scheduler? I can imagine one where the SPM associates NS clients with running Secure Partitions and resumes execution of a running a Secure Partition when the NS RTOS indicates the NS client is "active." But it isn't clear to me if this is the direction or not.
I note that the text for TZ_LoadContext_S says "**Prepare** the secure context for execution so that a thread in the non-secure state can call secure library modules." Preparing sounds different than immediate execution.
Are there other documents I can read or source implementations I can reference to get more of a handle on this?
Thanks,
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
Texas Instruments
Hi Erik,
Your mail contains quite a few questions. I'll try to give an overview in the topic you are asking, hoping that it is going to answer most (hopefully all) questions. If there is anything left unanswered, please follow up.
So currently TF-M supports two working model: IPC model, and Library model. Library model has no scheduling on the secure side, secure services are called like normal functions.
The IPC model contains a simple scheduler. (IPC model is an implementation of the PSA Firmware Framework for M (PSA-FF-M): https://developer.arm.com/-/media/Files/pdf/PlatformSecurityArchitecture/Ar… ) In this model, all the secure partitions have a runtime context associated with them. They have a separate stack, and their runtime state is saved when they are not scheduled by the Secure scheduler. This means that the number of secure contexts is determined compile time.
'Cooperative Scheduling Rules' document is a proposal of how a Non-Secure and a Secure scheduler should work together, to efficiently handle secure and non-secure asynchronous events. Currently The Secure scheduler has no knowledge of the state of the NS scheduler, and vice-versa. There is a roadmap item 'Scheduler - Initial Support' (currently without deadline) at https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_m/planning/ which refers to this.
The RTOS Thread Context Management API implementation had been added to TF-M, to support a feature called TF-M Non-Secure client identification. It is used by the
/**
* \brief Stores caller's client id in state context
*/
void tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler(const uint32_t svc_args[]);
API that is available for the secure services. Through this API secure services can distinguish Non-Secure clients.
TF-M manages a database of clients reported by the Non secure software (through the TZ_*APIs), and also tracks the ID of the currently active client. That client ID is returned by 'tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler' (in case the Secure Service was called from Non-Secure code)
Please note that the 'tfm_core_get_caller_client_id_handler' API is only supported in Library model. The TZ_* APIs are implemented in the NSPM module: secure_fw/core/tfm_nspm_func.c.
The IPC model's implementation of the NSPM module is empty: secure_fw/core/tfm_nspm_ipc.c
The original idea behind the RTOS Thread Context Management API is that the Secure context creation (allocating stack, and other supporting data structures) and destruction is initiated from the Non-Secure code. The number of active secure contexts is decided by the NS code in run time (of course if there is no more resource, the context creation fails). On scheduling, the non-secure SW notifies the secure code, to activate the context for the thread to be scheduled. This results in setting the secure stack pointer to the desired context (hence the "prepare"). After the NS Scheduler returns to the thread, the Secure or the Non-Secure code continues execution, depending on whether Secure, or Non-Secure execution had been interrupted by the NS scheduling.
Neither the single secure context design of the library model, and the above described design of the IPC model supports this approach, and that's why the semantics of the APIs in TF-M are different in TF-M.
Regards,
Mate
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Shreve, Erik via TF-M
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:07 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Subject: [TF-M] Cooperative Scheduling Rules and CMSIS tz_context
Hello everyone, I'm new to the list. Quick introduction: I work at Texas Instruments and I'm investigating TFM for use in some of our platforms here.
I'm trying to understand the scheduling and task architecture for PSA and the TFM implementation and how that intersects with NS tasks.
I found the following:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/group__context__trustzone_…
The existing TFM implementation doesn't seem to do much with the tz_context interface. It looks like it tracks which NS client is active, but I don't see where it uses that information to do anything.
Am I missing something?
I'd like to understand more about where TFM is going with the tz_context interface.
Will there be a tz_context focused scheduler? I can imagine one where the SPM associates NS clients with running Secure Partitions and resumes execution of a running a Secure Partition when the NS RTOS indicates the NS client is "active." But it isn't clear to me if this is the direction or not.
I note that the text for TZ_LoadContext_S says "**Prepare** the secure context for execution so that a thread in the non-secure state can call secure library modules." Preparing sounds different than immediate execution.
Are there other documents I can read or source implementations I can reference to get more of a handle on this?
Thanks,
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
Texas Instruments
Hi Andrej,
You seem to be right.
In the current platforms NS_DATA_SIZE is defined as either of the following:
* #define NS_DATA_SIZE (TOTAL_RAM_SIZE - S_DATA_SIZE)
* #define NS_DATA_SIZE (TOTAL_RAM_SIZE / 2)
Which means NS_DATA_SIZE Is the maximum available RAM for the NS Software.
So the maximum available size of the RW and ZI data is decreased by the amounts you enumerate in your mail.
I created a task to fix this: https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/T687
Thanks,
Mate
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Andrej Butok via TF-M
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:23 AM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Subject: [TF-M] NS DATA Linker file
Hello,
It looks like there is a mistake for ER_DATA region in the NS armclang linker file.
...
ER_DATA NS_DATA_START NS_DATA_SIZE {
* (+ZI +RW)
}
/* MSP */
ARM_LIB_STACK_MSP +0 ALIGN 32 EMPTY NS_MSP_STACK_SIZE {
}
/* PSP */
ARM_LIB_STACK +0 ALIGN 32 EMPTY NS_PSP_STACK_SIZE {
}
ARM_LIB_HEAP +0 ALIGN 8 EMPTY NS_HEAP_SIZE {
}
...
ER_DATA does not take into account the NS_MSP_STACK_SIZE+NS_PSP_STACK_SIZE+EMPTY NS_HEAP_SIZE size:
#define NS_DATA_SIZE (TOTAL_RAM_SIZE - S_DATA_SIZE)
Guess, the NS linker file should be:
...
ER_DATA NS_DATA_START NS_DATA_SIZE-NS_MSP_STACK_SIZE-NS_PSP_STACK_SIZE-EMPTY NS_HEAP_SIZE {
* (+ZI +RW)
}
...
Or, did I miss something?
Thank you,
Andrej Butok
Hi Tamas,
I have noticed today, that the PSA test suite has done several merges to its master branch.
Based the PSA test-suit readme, it has switched to newer versions of the PSA API.
Should we try to update or better to wait for a right signal from the TFM team?
Thanks,
Andrej
From: Tamas Ban <Tamas.Ban(a)arm.com<mailto:Tamas.Ban@arm.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 2:09 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Cc: Andrej Butok <andrey.butok(a)nxp.com<mailto:andrey.butok@nxp.com>>
Subject: RE: PSA Test Suite - Attestation test
Hi Andrej,
The v19.08_TBSA0.9 version of psa-arch test suite is aligned with current TF-M master.
I have executed the test suite and found that unfortunately the attestation test suite is currently broken:
* It was introduced by the QCBOR library update in https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/trusted-firmware-m/+/2679/6<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Freview.tr…>
* Currently there is a misalignment between psa-arch and tf-m in terms of QCBOR version. psa-arch still relies on older version of QCBOR.
* The version mismatch lead some parsing error in CBOR that is the reason why the test suite is failing.
* Other issue is that v19.08_TBSA0.9 version of psa-arch mandates the key-id in unprotected COSE header, however that field is optional according to the standard. In TF-M the inclusion of key-id was bind to ATTEST_INCLUDE_TEST_CODE_AND_KEY_ID, which was split to two compile time switch (https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/trusted-firmware-m/+/3147<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Freview.tr…>) ATTEST_INCLUDE_COSE_KEY_ID and ATTEST_ INCLUDE_TEST_CODE.
Way forward:
* I let the psa-arch test team to update QCBOR.
* Fix will be put on master, but currently the tip of the psa-arch master is not aligned with TF-M master. They are supports different PSA API versions.
* In TF-M there is a branch<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit.trust…> where the PSA API update is happening. This branch is intended to be merged to master in Q1.
Tamas
From: Andrej Butok <andrey.butok(a)nxp.com<mailto:andrey.butok@nxp.com>>
Sent: 05 February 2020 14:21
To: Tamas Ban <Tamas.Ban(a)arm.com<mailto:Tamas.Ban@arm.com>>
Cc: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Subject: RE: PSA Test Suite - Attestation test
Hi Tamas
> Could you tell what was the values of these compile time switches in your test?
For the previous TFM, we have used INCLUDE_TEST_CODE_AND_KEY_ID. For the current TFM it was renamed to INCLUDE_TEST_CODE.
Other parameters are new, so I have tried different combinations of these parameters, but the PSA Test-Suite Attestation is still failed.
> Further do you implemented the boot data sharing between bootloader and runtime firmware?
It's used the TFM template code without change from tfm\platform\ext\common\template
> Do you sign SPE and NPSE images together or they are signed separately?
We do not use the secondary bootloader so far, so image is not signed.
As the Attestation Regression tests are passed. It's good to know what combination of parameters have to be used to generate the same token as it was generated by the older TFM and accepted by the PSA Test Suite (last commit on master branch). Or the PSA Test Suite is obsolete.
Thank you,
Andrej
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m-bounces@lists.trustedfirmware.org>> On Behalf Of Tamas Ban via TF-M
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 1:13 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Subject: Re: [TF-M] PSA Test Suite - Attestation test
Hi Andrej,
Could you tell what was the values of these compile time switches in your test? I assume you did the test on NXP board. Further do you implemented the boot data sharing between bootloader and runtime firmware? Do you sign SPE and NPSE images together or they are signed separately?
Tamas
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m-bounces@lists.trustedfirmware.org>> On Behalf Of Andrej Butok via TF-M
Sent: 04 February 2020 17:33
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Subject: [TF-M] PSA Test Suite - Attestation test
Hello,
After upgrade to the latest version of TFM, the Attestation test from the PSA Test Suite is failed (but the TFM Attestation regression tests are passed).
What combination of configuration parameters must be used (INCLUDE_OPTIONAL_CLAIMS, INCLUDE_TEST_CODE, INCLUDE_COSE_KEY_ID, BOOT_DATA_AVAILABLE) to follow PSA Test Suite expectations?
What commit of the PSA Test-suite must be used for the latest TFM? We are still on the 2019-07-25 (c80681ed7c7f3e2cbf02ded1ef2464ba2ca7ccd5) commit, which was OK with 2-month old TFM.
Is the PSA Test Suite Attestation test valid for the latest TFM?
Thank you,
Andrej Butok
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Hi All,
I would like to give a short talk about a tool proposal to test IRQ handling in TF-M core.
Regards,
Mate
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Anton Komlev via TF-M
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 1:27 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com>
Subject: [TF-M] TF-M Technical Forum call - March 19
Hello,
The next Technical Forum is planned on Thursday, March 19 at 7:00-8:00 UTC.
Please reply on this email with your proposals for agenda topics.
Best regards,
Anton Komlev
Hello,
It looks like there is a mistake for ER_DATA region in the NS armclang linker file.
...
ER_DATA NS_DATA_START NS_DATA_SIZE {
* (+ZI +RW)
}
/* MSP */
ARM_LIB_STACK_MSP +0 ALIGN 32 EMPTY NS_MSP_STACK_SIZE {
}
/* PSP */
ARM_LIB_STACK +0 ALIGN 32 EMPTY NS_PSP_STACK_SIZE {
}
ARM_LIB_HEAP +0 ALIGN 8 EMPTY NS_HEAP_SIZE {
}
...
ER_DATA does not take into account the NS_MSP_STACK_SIZE+NS_PSP_STACK_SIZE+EMPTY NS_HEAP_SIZE size:
#define NS_DATA_SIZE (TOTAL_RAM_SIZE - S_DATA_SIZE)
Guess, the NS linker file should be:
...
ER_DATA NS_DATA_START NS_DATA_SIZE-NS_MSP_STACK_SIZE-NS_PSP_STACK_SIZE-EMPTY NS_HEAP_SIZE {
* (+ZI +RW)
}
...
Or, did I miss something?
Thank you,
Andrej Butok
Hello everyone, I'm new to the list. Quick introduction: I work at Texas Instruments and I'm investigating TFM for use in some of our platforms here.
I'm trying to understand the scheduling and task architecture for PSA and the TFM implementation and how that intersects with NS tasks.
I found the following:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/group__context__trustzone_…
The existing TFM implementation doesn't seem to do much with the tz_context interface. It looks like it tracks which NS client is active, but I don't see where it uses that information to do anything.
Am I missing something?
I'd like to understand more about where TFM is going with the tz_context interface.
Will there be a tz_context focused scheduler? I can imagine one where the SPM associates NS clients with running Secure Partitions and resumes execution of a running a Secure Partition when the NS RTOS indicates the NS client is "active." But it isn't clear to me if this is the direction or not.
I note that the text for TZ_LoadContext_S says "**Prepare** the secure context for execution so that a thread in the non-secure state can call secure library modules." Preparing sounds different than immediate execution.
Are there other documents I can read or source implementations I can reference to get more of a handle on this?
Thanks,
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
Texas Instruments
Hello,
The next Technical Forum is planned on Thursday, March 19 at 7:00-8:00 UTC.
Please reply on this email with your proposals for agenda topics.
Best regards,
Anton Komlev
Hi,
TF-M version information is carried by manifest data, which is appended to the image in a post build step (at image signing):
* Image header: Contains image actual version: 1.0.0
* Image TLV (footer): Can contains a dependency TLV entry which refers to the dependent image by an ID and its minimum version.
Dependency verification:
* At boot time the bootloader checks whether the dependency would be satisfies after a software upgrade. If not then it deny the update.
* https://git.trustedfirmware.org/trusted-firmware-m.git/tree/docs/user_guide…
At runtime there is no API to get the image version or its capability.
Did I answer your question?
Tamas
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Reinhard Keil via TF-M
Sent: 09 March 2020 09:45
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com>
Subject: [TF-M] Product Lifecycle Management: TF-M + Non-Secure Application
Hi,
How does TF-M consider Product Lifecycle Management (PLM)?
Assuming the following scenario where TF-M and Non-Secure Application are independently developed/updated in a deployed system:
* TF-M is delivered i.e. by a silicon vendor in a pre-configured variant and Non-Secure Application starts to use this configuration.
* During PLM there is a decision to update/upgrade/downgrade TF-M. The new image is pushed to deployed devices independent of Non_Secure application.
Questions that I have:
* Is there a way for the Non-Secure application to identify the functionality available in TF-M?
* How is it ensured that new TF-M versions are compatible with previous versions?
Reinhard
Abhishek,
A few days, I posted the reasons why MPC/PPC should not be used for level 3 isolation. Did you had a chance to read that?
MPC/PPC implement system wide isolation. IMHO, reprogramming it for level 3 isolation should be not considered as it creates various problems for the system designer.
You did also ask, how to ensure that security is actually enabled, basically if security has been initalized. The best approach would be to check if the SAU->CTRL is correctly set; if not the system should shut down.
Reinhard
Hi,
How does TF-M consider Product Lifecycle Management (PLM)?
Assuming the following scenario where TF-M and Non-Secure Application are independently developed/updated in a deployed system:
* TF-M is delivered i.e. by a silicon vendor in a pre-configured variant and Non-Secure Application starts to use this configuration.
* During PLM there is a decision to update/upgrade/downgrade TF-M. The new image is pushed to deployed devices independent of Non_Secure application.
Questions that I have:
* Is there a way for the Non-Secure application to identify the functionality available in TF-M?
* How is it ensured that new TF-M versions are compatible with previous versions?
Reinhard
We need to be cognizant of the target usage and user base. The vast majority of usage is v8m in which case the HAL can be simple and targeted for TrustZone. Based on what I have witnessed other than the changes required to support dual/multicore usage. Why not offer a HAL option for TrustZone and one for dual/multicore?
All the best!
Reed
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Abhishek Pandit via TF-M <tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Reply-To: Abhishek Pandit <Abhishek.Pandit(a)arm.com>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020 at 4:28 AM
To: "tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org" <tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com>
Subject: Re: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi,
I see this slight differently. The purpose of TF-M HAL is to abstract out specific HW dependencies from the SW framework for creating isolated secure partitions. As you can understand, various systems have differences in what components are utilized for isolation, but TF-M needs to implement a generic mechanism that works across multiple platforms. Therefore it’s important to consider what’s platform specific and what’s generic.
In that sense, SAU and other system components are specific to the underlying HW hence should be part of platform implementation. Of course, it is possible to implement a unified HAL for a family of devices, however I would still expect the hardware abstraction layer in TF-M to remain agnostic of how the HW implements/facilitates isolation of secure world.
I don’t disagree with the suggestion about enhancements but they seem platform specific to me so should be discussed in that context.
Thanks,
Abhishek
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Ken Liu via TF-M
Sent: 04 March 2020 03:14
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com>
Subject: Re: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi Jonatan,
The enhancement of this TZ_SAU_Setup() sounds reasonable, and there are more background items to be considerate:
* The SPM need to re-configure the isolation hardware dynamically under isolation level 3 while SPM scheduling, and MPC/PPC is potentially included. So I am not sure what the ‘system isolation’ mean in your mail, if you want a static initialization for all isolation settings then it will not work for SPM at least for the isolation level 3 design. If it includes the minimal security (and fundamental) setting while system booting and there are other functions to update the isolation setting later, it is do-able.
* How does the parameter pass into this function? Because SPM needs to know the status of the existing isolation setting for some purposes (such as security checking), so there needs to be a way to let SPM know the isolation status.
So if we do the fundamental security setup in SystemInit(), the advantage is the protection is already enabled between SystemInit() exits and SPM_Init() (There are platform init process in this stage). The cons are SPM may not check the isolation status. And if we do isolation in SPM_Init(), the advantage is SPM can know the status and the cons are Platform Init is not restricted (It could access anywhere).
I would suggest not to propose the calling time strictly for this new enhanced API.
I know cypress uses customized protection initialization mechanism so any ideas?
BR
/Ken
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m-bounces@lists.trustedfirmware.org>> On Behalf Of Jonatan Antoni via TF-M
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:09 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Subject: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi all,
I am trying to align TrustZone initialisation procedure between TF-M and CMSIS.
In CMSIS the approach from the early v8-M days is to have a “partition.h” file providing “TZ_SAU_Setup()” function. This function is called during low level “SystemInit()” which runs as part of the pre-main (called from ResetHandler and before running C lib init).
In contrast TF-M calls “tfm_spm_hal_init_isolation_hw()” (which is similar to “TZ_SAU_Setup()” plus PPC/MPC configuration) during “tfm_core_init()” (which runs in secure “main()”).
The advantage of “TZ_SAU_Setup()” is that this function is available by standard for all TrustZone devices. The shortcoming is it doesn’t cover MPC/PPC configuration, yet. Ideally we can enhance CMSIS standard to offer a “TrustZone_Setup()” function (the name is still to be defined) that does all this. That would simplify the TF-M HAL to just one single function call that should be provided by each TrustZone-Device low level init code.
The final question is: When does this function need to be called? Are you aware of any reason why we should not configure the “system isolation” already during low level init (pre-main)? This could simplify TF-M code even more. In TF-M we could simply rely on a properly configured TrustZone isolation before running any TF-M code.
Cheers,
Jonatan Antoni
Senior Engineering Manager - CMSIS [Germany on Google Android 8.0] [United Kingdom on Google Android 8.0]
Arm Germany GmbH
Phone: +49 (0)89 262 029 618 | Fax: +49 (0)89 456 040-19
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Hi,
I see this slight differently. The purpose of TF-M HAL is to abstract out specific HW dependencies from the SW framework for creating isolated secure partitions. As you can understand, various systems have differences in what components are utilized for isolation, but TF-M needs to implement a generic mechanism that works across multiple platforms. Therefore it's important to consider what's platform specific and what's generic.
In that sense, SAU and other system components are specific to the underlying HW hence should be part of platform implementation. Of course, it is possible to implement a unified HAL for a family of devices, however I would still expect the hardware abstraction layer in TF-M to remain agnostic of how the HW implements/facilitates isolation of secure world.
I don't disagree with the suggestion about enhancements but they seem platform specific to me so should be discussed in that context.
Thanks,
Abhishek
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Ken Liu via TF-M
Sent: 04 March 2020 03:14
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com>
Subject: Re: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi Jonatan,
The enhancement of this TZ_SAU_Setup() sounds reasonable, and there are more background items to be considerate:
* The SPM need to re-configure the isolation hardware dynamically under isolation level 3 while SPM scheduling, and MPC/PPC is potentially included. So I am not sure what the 'system isolation' mean in your mail, if you want a static initialization for all isolation settings then it will not work for SPM at least for the isolation level 3 design. If it includes the minimal security (and fundamental) setting while system booting and there are other functions to update the isolation setting later, it is do-able.
* How does the parameter pass into this function? Because SPM needs to know the status of the existing isolation setting for some purposes (such as security checking), so there needs to be a way to let SPM know the isolation status.
So if we do the fundamental security setup in SystemInit(), the advantage is the protection is already enabled between SystemInit() exits and SPM_Init() (There are platform init process in this stage). The cons are SPM may not check the isolation status. And if we do isolation in SPM_Init(), the advantage is SPM can know the status and the cons are Platform Init is not restricted (It could access anywhere).
I would suggest not to propose the calling time strictly for this new enhanced API.
I know cypress uses customized protection initialization mechanism so any ideas?
BR
/Ken
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m-bounces@lists.trustedfirmware.org>> On Behalf Of Jonatan Antoni via TF-M
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:09 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Subject: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi all,
I am trying to align TrustZone initialisation procedure between TF-M and CMSIS.
In CMSIS the approach from the early v8-M days is to have a "partition.h" file providing "TZ_SAU_Setup()" function. This function is called during low level "SystemInit()" which runs as part of the pre-main (called from ResetHandler and before running C lib init).
In contrast TF-M calls "tfm_spm_hal_init_isolation_hw()" (which is similar to "TZ_SAU_Setup()" plus PPC/MPC configuration) during "tfm_core_init()" (which runs in secure "main()").
The advantage of "TZ_SAU_Setup()" is that this function is available by standard for all TrustZone devices. The shortcoming is it doesn't cover MPC/PPC configuration, yet. Ideally we can enhance CMSIS standard to offer a "TrustZone_Setup()" function (the name is still to be defined) that does all this. That would simplify the TF-M HAL to just one single function call that should be provided by each TrustZone-Device low level init code.
The final question is: When does this function need to be called? Are you aware of any reason why we should not configure the "system isolation" already during low level init (pre-main)? This could simplify TF-M code even more. In TF-M we could simply rely on a properly configured TrustZone isolation before running any TF-M code.
Cheers,
Jonatan Antoni
Senior Engineering Manager - CMSIS [Germany on Google Android 8.0] [United Kingdom on Google Android 8.0]
Arm Germany GmbH
Phone: +49 (0)89 262 029 618 | Fax: +49 (0)89 456 040-19
Email: jonatan.antoni(a)arm.com<mailto:jonatan.antoni@arm.com> | Visit: www.keil.com<http://www.keil.com > | Address: Bretonischer Ring 16, 85630 Grasbrunn, Germany
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Grasbrunn | Handelsregister: München (HRB 175362) | USt-IdNr.: DE 187925309
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