Hello everyone, I'm new to the list. Quick introduction: I work at Texas Instruments and I'm investigating TFM for use in some of our platforms here.
I'm trying to understand the scheduling and task architecture for PSA and the TFM implementation and how that intersects with NS tasks.
I found the following:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…https://arm-software.github.io/CMSIS_5/Core/html/group__context__trustzone_…
The existing TFM implementation doesn't seem to do much with the tz_context interface. It looks like it tracks which NS client is active, but I don't see where it uses that information to do anything.
Am I missing something?
I'd like to understand more about where TFM is going with the tz_context interface.
Will there be a tz_context focused scheduler? I can imagine one where the SPM associates NS clients with running Secure Partitions and resumes execution of a running a Secure Partition when the NS RTOS indicates the NS client is "active." But it isn't clear to me if this is the direction or not.
I note that the text for TZ_LoadContext_S says "**Prepare** the secure context for execution so that a thread in the non-secure state can call secure library modules." Preparing sounds different than immediate execution.
Are there other documents I can read or source implementations I can reference to get more of a handle on this?
Thanks,
Erik Shreve, PSEM
Software Security Engineer & Architect (CMCU Platform Development)
Texas Instruments
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Hi,
TF-M version information is carried by manifest data, which is appended to the image in a post build step (at image signing):
* Image header: Contains image actual version: 1.0.0
* Image TLV (footer): Can contains a dependency TLV entry which refers to the dependent image by an ID and its minimum version.
Dependency verification:
* At boot time the bootloader checks whether the dependency would be satisfies after a software upgrade. If not then it deny the update.
* https://git.trustedfirmware.org/trusted-firmware-m.git/tree/docs/user_guide…
At runtime there is no API to get the image version or its capability.
Did I answer your question?
Tamas
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Subject: [TF-M] Product Lifecycle Management: TF-M + Non-Secure Application
Hi,
How does TF-M consider Product Lifecycle Management (PLM)?
Assuming the following scenario where TF-M and Non-Secure Application are independently developed/updated in a deployed system:
* TF-M is delivered i.e. by a silicon vendor in a pre-configured variant and Non-Secure Application starts to use this configuration.
* During PLM there is a decision to update/upgrade/downgrade TF-M. The new image is pushed to deployed devices independent of Non_Secure application.
Questions that I have:
* Is there a way for the Non-Secure application to identify the functionality available in TF-M?
* How is it ensured that new TF-M versions are compatible with previous versions?
Reinhard
Abhishek,
A few days, I posted the reasons why MPC/PPC should not be used for level 3 isolation. Did you had a chance to read that?
MPC/PPC implement system wide isolation. IMHO, reprogramming it for level 3 isolation should be not considered as it creates various problems for the system designer.
You did also ask, how to ensure that security is actually enabled, basically if security has been initalized. The best approach would be to check if the SAU->CTRL is correctly set; if not the system should shut down.
Reinhard
Hi,
How does TF-M consider Product Lifecycle Management (PLM)?
Assuming the following scenario where TF-M and Non-Secure Application are independently developed/updated in a deployed system:
* TF-M is delivered i.e. by a silicon vendor in a pre-configured variant and Non-Secure Application starts to use this configuration.
* During PLM there is a decision to update/upgrade/downgrade TF-M. The new image is pushed to deployed devices independent of Non_Secure application.
Questions that I have:
* Is there a way for the Non-Secure application to identify the functionality available in TF-M?
* How is it ensured that new TF-M versions are compatible with previous versions?
Reinhard
We need to be cognizant of the target usage and user base. The vast majority of usage is v8m in which case the HAL can be simple and targeted for TrustZone. Based on what I have witnessed other than the changes required to support dual/multicore usage. Why not offer a HAL option for TrustZone and one for dual/multicore?
All the best!
Reed
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Abhishek Pandit via TF-M <tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Reply-To: Abhishek Pandit <Abhishek.Pandit(a)arm.com>
Date: Friday, March 6, 2020 at 4:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi,
I see this slight differently. The purpose of TF-M HAL is to abstract out specific HW dependencies from the SW framework for creating isolated secure partitions. As you can understand, various systems have differences in what components are utilized for isolation, but TF-M needs to implement a generic mechanism that works across multiple platforms. Therefore it’s important to consider what’s platform specific and what’s generic.
In that sense, SAU and other system components are specific to the underlying HW hence should be part of platform implementation. Of course, it is possible to implement a unified HAL for a family of devices, however I would still expect the hardware abstraction layer in TF-M to remain agnostic of how the HW implements/facilitates isolation of secure world.
I don’t disagree with the suggestion about enhancements but they seem platform specific to me so should be discussed in that context.
Thanks,
Abhishek
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi Jonatan,
The enhancement of this TZ_SAU_Setup() sounds reasonable, and there are more background items to be considerate:
* The SPM need to re-configure the isolation hardware dynamically under isolation level 3 while SPM scheduling, and MPC/PPC is potentially included. So I am not sure what the ‘system isolation’ mean in your mail, if you want a static initialization for all isolation settings then it will not work for SPM at least for the isolation level 3 design. If it includes the minimal security (and fundamental) setting while system booting and there are other functions to update the isolation setting later, it is do-able.
* How does the parameter pass into this function? Because SPM needs to know the status of the existing isolation setting for some purposes (such as security checking), so there needs to be a way to let SPM know the isolation status.
So if we do the fundamental security setup in SystemInit(), the advantage is the protection is already enabled between SystemInit() exits and SPM_Init() (There are platform init process in this stage). The cons are SPM may not check the isolation status. And if we do isolation in SPM_Init(), the advantage is SPM can know the status and the cons are Platform Init is not restricted (It could access anywhere).
I would suggest not to propose the calling time strictly for this new enhanced API.
I know cypress uses customized protection initialization mechanism so any ideas?
BR
/Ken
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Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:09 PM
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Subject: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi all,
I am trying to align TrustZone initialisation procedure between TF-M and CMSIS.
In CMSIS the approach from the early v8-M days is to have a “partition.h” file providing “TZ_SAU_Setup()” function. This function is called during low level “SystemInit()” which runs as part of the pre-main (called from ResetHandler and before running C lib init).
In contrast TF-M calls “tfm_spm_hal_init_isolation_hw()” (which is similar to “TZ_SAU_Setup()” plus PPC/MPC configuration) during “tfm_core_init()” (which runs in secure “main()”).
The advantage of “TZ_SAU_Setup()” is that this function is available by standard for all TrustZone devices. The shortcoming is it doesn’t cover MPC/PPC configuration, yet. Ideally we can enhance CMSIS standard to offer a “TrustZone_Setup()” function (the name is still to be defined) that does all this. That would simplify the TF-M HAL to just one single function call that should be provided by each TrustZone-Device low level init code.
The final question is: When does this function need to be called? Are you aware of any reason why we should not configure the “system isolation” already during low level init (pre-main)? This could simplify TF-M code even more. In TF-M we could simply rely on a properly configured TrustZone isolation before running any TF-M code.
Cheers,
Jonatan Antoni
Senior Engineering Manager - CMSIS [Germany on Google Android 8.0] [United Kingdom on Google Android 8.0]
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Hi,
I see this slight differently. The purpose of TF-M HAL is to abstract out specific HW dependencies from the SW framework for creating isolated secure partitions. As you can understand, various systems have differences in what components are utilized for isolation, but TF-M needs to implement a generic mechanism that works across multiple platforms. Therefore it's important to consider what's platform specific and what's generic.
In that sense, SAU and other system components are specific to the underlying HW hence should be part of platform implementation. Of course, it is possible to implement a unified HAL for a family of devices, however I would still expect the hardware abstraction layer in TF-M to remain agnostic of how the HW implements/facilitates isolation of secure world.
I don't disagree with the suggestion about enhancements but they seem platform specific to me so should be discussed in that context.
Thanks,
Abhishek
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Sent: 04 March 2020 03:14
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Cc: nd <nd(a)arm.com>
Subject: Re: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi Jonatan,
The enhancement of this TZ_SAU_Setup() sounds reasonable, and there are more background items to be considerate:
* The SPM need to re-configure the isolation hardware dynamically under isolation level 3 while SPM scheduling, and MPC/PPC is potentially included. So I am not sure what the 'system isolation' mean in your mail, if you want a static initialization for all isolation settings then it will not work for SPM at least for the isolation level 3 design. If it includes the minimal security (and fundamental) setting while system booting and there are other functions to update the isolation setting later, it is do-able.
* How does the parameter pass into this function? Because SPM needs to know the status of the existing isolation setting for some purposes (such as security checking), so there needs to be a way to let SPM know the isolation status.
So if we do the fundamental security setup in SystemInit(), the advantage is the protection is already enabled between SystemInit() exits and SPM_Init() (There are platform init process in this stage). The cons are SPM may not check the isolation status. And if we do isolation in SPM_Init(), the advantage is SPM can know the status and the cons are Platform Init is not restricted (It could access anywhere).
I would suggest not to propose the calling time strictly for this new enhanced API.
I know cypress uses customized protection initialization mechanism so any ideas?
BR
/Ken
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Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:09 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tf-m@lists.trustedfirmware.org>
Subject: [TF-M] TrustZone initialisation procedure
Hi all,
I am trying to align TrustZone initialisation procedure between TF-M and CMSIS.
In CMSIS the approach from the early v8-M days is to have a "partition.h" file providing "TZ_SAU_Setup()" function. This function is called during low level "SystemInit()" which runs as part of the pre-main (called from ResetHandler and before running C lib init).
In contrast TF-M calls "tfm_spm_hal_init_isolation_hw()" (which is similar to "TZ_SAU_Setup()" plus PPC/MPC configuration) during "tfm_core_init()" (which runs in secure "main()").
The advantage of "TZ_SAU_Setup()" is that this function is available by standard for all TrustZone devices. The shortcoming is it doesn't cover MPC/PPC configuration, yet. Ideally we can enhance CMSIS standard to offer a "TrustZone_Setup()" function (the name is still to be defined) that does all this. That would simplify the TF-M HAL to just one single function call that should be provided by each TrustZone-Device low level init code.
The final question is: When does this function need to be called? Are you aware of any reason why we should not configure the "system isolation" already during low level init (pre-main)? This could simplify TF-M code even more. In TF-M we could simply rely on a properly configured TrustZone isolation before running any TF-M code.
Cheers,
Jonatan Antoni
Senior Engineering Manager - CMSIS [Germany on Google Android 8.0] [United Kingdom on Google Android 8.0]
Arm Germany GmbH
Phone: +49 (0)89 262 029 618 | Fax: +49 (0)89 456 040-19
Email: jonatan.antoni(a)arm.com<mailto:jonatan.antoni@arm.com> | Visit: www.keil.com<http://www.keil.com > | Address: Bretonischer Ring 16, 85630 Grasbrunn, Germany
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Grasbrunn | Handelsregister: München (HRB 175362) | USt-IdNr.: DE 187925309
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Hi Alan,
It (8.3.5) is one of the cases can be dealt with, and now it is not detail defined yet. Can you describe what your practical purpose for S/NS interactive is so that we could collect feedbacks to check if the rules are applicable?
/Ken
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Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:51 PM
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Subject: [TF-M] SPM_IDLE
Mention is made to "SPM_IDLE" in the Cooperative Scheduling Rules document:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…
I'm struggling to understand section 8.3.5 which references SPM_IDLE but doesn't really define it. Is there more info on this topic? It appears to be a proposed solution for allowing other NS threads to be scheduled while the current NS thread is waiting for an asynchronous event in the secure service it has called.
Alan
I have just pushed a simple one liner for
tools/tfm_parse_manifest_list.py, which keeps the generated #include
file names using unix style paths, even if the files were generated on
windows.
In the past I have manually fixed up the paths on the generated #include
lines in some of the files, but got bored and fixed the script instead.
https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/trusted-firmware-m/+/3605
I also pushed a major (80 files) fix last night that cleans up most of
the warnings when building with the IAR toolkit, which for now has more
warnings enabled than ARMCLANG and GNUARM. This should make it easier to
enable "pedantic" mode with GNUARM as well.
https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/trusted-firmware-m/+/3594
Thomas
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