Hi Thomas,
For your 2nd question. I have tested it on my side and it has the same problem.
The TF-M can print normal boot message, but the log becomes garbage after enter into Arch test. The PSA Arch test is another independent project, and I have arisen this issue to the PSA Arch test project: https://github.com/ARM-software/psa-arch-tests/issues/164.
You can watch this issue directly.
Thanks,
Edison
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Hi Thomas,
Thanks your mail.
For your 1st question. There is indeed a problem to build the PSA arch crypto test on the Musca_a board for the RAM size is too small. I suggest you split the crypto tests into different test images on the Musca_a board.
For the 2nd question, I only test that on FVP AN521 but never met this problem. We will test that on the MPS2 AN521 board soon to check if it is a real problem. If yes, we will try to fix that quickly.
Thanks,
Edison
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Subject: [TF-M] psa-arch-tests console baud rate
Triggered by Rays mail on slow RSA key pair generation, I built and tried to run the tests, but ran into a couple of issues:
1) I attempted to build it for the Musca A, but apparently that doesn't have enough RAM to run these tests
2) Switching to an MPS2+ with AN521 configuration I see that the baud rate on the UART appears wrong when running the tests.
mcuboot produces correct messages at 115200 bps, as does the normal ConfigRegression* tests, but the ConfigPsaApiTest* appears to produce just garbage.
Is there a setting I need to set to get any useful data on the terminal when running the ConfigPsaApiTests?
Cheers,
Thomas
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Ken,
Our secure callback solution to this issue is working. I am just following up to understand what the SPM_IDLE concept is.
Alan
On Mar 20, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Ken Liu via TF-M <tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote:
Hi Alan,
Looks like this is the still classic case, but unfortunately that there is no defined design at the current stage.
Heard you were working on an solution for this, and got some issues when non-secure preempts secure execution, since your scheduler works in thread mode so cannot update secure context while scheduling – please correct me if my understanding is wrong. Is this mail a follow up or another thread just focus on discussion of the cooperative scheduling document?
BR
/Ken
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Subject: RE: SPM_IDLE
Ken,
Our use case is to support a “secure driver”:
1. A peripheral can only be accessed in secure mode.
2. The peripheral is configured and a hardware process is triggered within the peripheral.
3. When the process completes, a secure interrupt is triggered.
4. The NS thread that is using this driver should block (allowing other NS threads to run) while waiting for the hardware process to complete and resume when the process is finished.
Alan
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TF-M] SPM_IDLE
Hi Alan,
It (8.3.5) is one of the cases can be dealt with, and now it is not detail defined yet. Can you describe what your practical purpose for S/NS interactive is so that we could collect feedbacks to check if the rules are applicable?
/Ken
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Subject: [TF-M] SPM_IDLE
Mention is made to “SPM_IDLE” in the Cooperative Scheduling Rules document:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…
I’m struggling to understand section 8.3.5 which references SPM_IDLE but doesn’t really define it. Is there more info on this topic? It appears to be a proposed solution for allowing other NS threads to be scheduled while the current NS thread is waiting for an asynchronous event in the secure service it has called.
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Hi,
The patchset https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/trusted-firmware-m/+/3620 removes the header `tfm_veneers.h` from PSA IPC API source files. If there are no objects then can this patchset be merged?
Thanks,
Dev
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Ken,
Our use case is to support a "secure driver":
1) A peripheral can only be accessed in secure mode.
2) The peripheral is configured and a hardware process is triggered within the peripheral.
3) When the process completes, a secure interrupt is triggered.
4) The NS thread that is using this driver should block (allowing other NS threads to run) while waiting for the hardware process to complete and resume when the process is finished.
Alan
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Hi Alan,
It (8.3.5) is one of the cases can be dealt with, and now it is not detail defined yet. Can you describe what your practical purpose for S/NS interactive is so that we could collect feedbacks to check if the rules are applicable?
/Ken
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Subject: [TF-M] SPM_IDLE
Mention is made to "SPM_IDLE" in the Cooperative Scheduling Rules document:
https://ci.trustedfirmware.org/job/tf-m-build-test-nightly/lastSuccessfulBu…
I'm struggling to understand section 8.3.5 which references SPM_IDLE but doesn't really define it. Is there more info on this topic? It appears to be a proposed solution for allowing other NS threads to be scheduled while the current NS thread is waiting for an asynchronous event in the secure service it has called.
Alan
Thanks Tamas,
Did you try with CC312 disabled as well? I am wondering if you would be able to at least reproduce what I saw.
Ray
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Subject: [TF-M] FW: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
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Hi,
We did measurements on Musca-B1 with enabled CC312. We did 10 run with both compiler( armclang and gnuarm). RSA2048 key generation takes 10-35 sec. In average gnuarm seems a bit slower. I suspect the reason behind that random number still need to be tested that are they fit for rsa2048 generation (might are they primes?) and the testing algorithm is might faster with armclang.
But for sure we have not seen any run which could take minutes.
Tamas
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
If the platform has on-chip NVM then you should consider using NV seed entropy. You still need a TRNG to get the initial entropy, but seems like it could improve average runtime performance. I believe there's a macro like MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_NV_SEED that you have to enable, as well as providing the hooks to read/write the flash.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Ray,
That is good information. The software RNG is not truly random and is not production quality. The predictable timing could be an indicator that the randomness is reproducible. That's all I know, but the mbed-crypto team may have more inputs and they can be queried here : https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/issues
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Soby,
Musca-B1 has CC312 support which will introduce an rng for this purpose. Unfortunately, I didn't test Musca-B1 with cc312 enabled and I don't have a board now to test with.
However, I did test with a h/w rng on the PSoC64 and the performance isn't always better. When using s/w, the time it takes was quite consistent at 1.5 minutes or 5.5 minutes depending on toolchain. After introducing the h/w rng, I've seen it finish quickly (less than a minute) but I've also seen it take 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Ray
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I've run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I've seen it take even longer - I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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Hi Thomas,
Thanks your mail.
For your 1st question. There is indeed a problem to build the PSA arch crypto test on the Musca_a board for the RAM size is too small. I suggest you split the crypto tests into different test images on the Musca_a board.
For the 2nd question, I only test that on FVP AN521 but never met this problem. We will test that on the MPS2 AN521 board soon to check if it is a real problem. If yes, we will try to fix that quickly.
Thanks,
Edison
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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:38 PM
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Subject: [TF-M] psa-arch-tests console baud rate
Triggered by Rays mail on slow RSA key pair generation, I built and tried to run the tests, but ran into a couple of issues:
1) I attempted to build it for the Musca A, but apparently that doesn't have enough RAM to run these tests
2) Switching to an MPS2+ with AN521 configuration I see that the baud rate on the UART appears wrong when running the tests.
mcuboot produces correct messages at 115200 bps, as does the normal ConfigRegression* tests, but the ConfigPsaApiTest* appears to produce just garbage.
Is there a setting I need to set to get any useful data on the terminal when running the ConfigPsaApiTests?
Cheers,
Thomas
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Note that you'll still to re-seed from the TRNG periodically, but doesn't have to be done every time the application needs a random number.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
If the platform has on-chip NVM then you should consider using NV seed entropy. You still need a TRNG to get the initial entropy, but seems like it could improve average runtime performance. I believe there's a macro like MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_NV_SEED that you have to enable, as well as providing the hooks to read/write the flash.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Ray,
That is good information. The software RNG is not truly random and is not production quality. The predictable timing could be an indicator that the randomness is reproducible. That’s all I know, but the mbed-crypto team may have more inputs and they can be queried here : https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/issues
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Soby,
Musca-B1 has CC312 support which will introduce an rng for this purpose. Unfortunately, I didn’t test Musca-B1 with cc312 enabled and I don’t have a board now to test with.
However, I did test with a h/w rng on the PSoC64 and the performance isn’t always better. When using s/w, the time it takes was quite consistent at 1.5 minutes or 5.5 minutes depending on toolchain. After introducing the h/w rng, I’ve seen it finish quickly (less than a minute) but I’ve also seen it take 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Ray
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I’ve run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I’ve seen it take even longer – I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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Hi,
We did measurements on Musca-B1 with enabled CC312. We did 10 run with both compiler( armclang and gnuarm). RSA2048 key generation takes 10-35 sec. In average gnuarm seems a bit slower. I suspect the reason behind that random number still need to be tested that are they fit for rsa2048 generation (might are they primes?) and the testing algorithm is might faster with armclang.
But for sure we have not seen any run which could take minutes.
Tamas
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
If the platform has on-chip NVM then you should consider using NV seed entropy. You still need a TRNG to get the initial entropy, but seems like it could improve average runtime performance. I believe there's a macro like MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_NV_SEED that you have to enable, as well as providing the hooks to read/write the flash.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Ray,
That is good information. The software RNG is not truly random and is not production quality. The predictable timing could be an indicator that the randomness is reproducible. That's all I know, but the mbed-crypto team may have more inputs and they can be queried here : https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/issues
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Soby,
Musca-B1 has CC312 support which will introduce an rng for this purpose. Unfortunately, I didn't test Musca-B1 with cc312 enabled and I don't have a board now to test with.
However, I did test with a h/w rng on the PSoC64 and the performance isn't always better. When using s/w, the time it takes was quite consistent at 1.5 minutes or 5.5 minutes depending on toolchain. After introducing the h/w rng, I've seen it finish quickly (less than a minute) but I've also seen it take 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Ray
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I've run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I've seen it take even longer - I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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If the platform has on-chip NVM then you should consider using NV seed entropy. You still need a TRNG to get the initial entropy, but seems like it could improve average runtime performance. I believe there's a macro like MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_NV_SEED that you have to enable, as well as providing the hooks to read/write the flash.
Adrian
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Subject: Re: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Ray,
That is good information. The software RNG is not truly random and is not production quality. The predictable timing could be an indicator that the randomness is reproducible. That’s all I know, but the mbed-crypto team may have more inputs and they can be queried here : https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/issues
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Soby,
Musca-B1 has CC312 support which will introduce an rng for this purpose. Unfortunately, I didn’t test Musca-B1 with cc312 enabled and I don’t have a board now to test with.
However, I did test with a h/w rng on the PSoC64 and the performance isn’t always better. When using s/w, the time it takes was quite consistent at 1.5 minutes or 5.5 minutes depending on toolchain. After introducing the h/w rng, I’ve seen it finish quickly (less than a minute) but I’ve also seen it take 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Ray
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Subject: RE: 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
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Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I’ve run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I’ve seen it take even longer – I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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Hi Raymond
Thanks for bring this to the forum. When I did the migration to the latest mbed-crypto tag, I faced the same issue. After couple of discussion within the team and mbedcrypto, this is the understanding I have.
Currently mbedcrypto is configured to use NULL entropy. Hence this is the print message when building mbedcrypto :
#warning "**** WARNING! MBEDTLS_TEST_NULL_ENTROPY defined! "
This means that mbedcrypto uses a software algorithm to generate randomness. It iterates this algorithm till it can generate enough randomness for the keypair generation and this is the reason for the delay.
If the hardware has an entropy source which can be used for this random number generation, then I understand the performance will be much better. But this will need suitable configuration to be enabled from TF-M.
I am not much familiar with hardware architecture of M-Class systems. One of the questions I have to the forum is, do we have such entropy sources on the hardware? Then it is worth scheduling some task to investigate how to abstract/use the entropy source.
Best Regards
Soby Mathew
From: TF-M <tf-m-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Raymond Ngun via TF-M
Sent: 17 March 2020 21:02
To: tf-m(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
Subject: [TF-M] 2048-bit RSA Keypair generation is slow
Hi all,
When testing the PSA API Crypto Dev API test suite, I noticed that psa_generate_key() is awfully slow when generating a 2048-bit RSA keypair and the performance is different depending on toolchain used. I've run these tests on Musca-B1 and with GCC, key generation generally completes in 25s but an armclang build requires 2.5 minutes to complete. This is more pronounced on PSoC64 where we are building for armv6m. Here, the key generation can take up to 5.5 minutes and I've seen it take even longer - I assume this is due to values returned by rng.
Anybody have comments on the performance of psa_generate_key() or more specifically mbedtls_rsa_gen_key()? What can be done to help improve the performance of this software implementation?
Thank you,
Ray
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