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Hello team,
To extend the discussion around version upgrades from our last call, I would like to understand if there is enough interest around generating a LTS version of the TF-A to alleviate the pain.
For NVIDIA, this would be helpful as it streamlines the upgrade path for our devices in the field. The LTS version will guarantee security fixes, bug fixes, stability fixes for the longer term and we won't have to upgrade the entire firmware to get these goodies.
It would be interesting to see what OEMs and maintainers think about this? Has this been discussed at tf.org or Arm internally?
-Varun
Dear all,
As part of a patchset series review (topic scmi-msg), change [1]
imports confine_array_index.h header file from OP-TEE OS repository.
The file originates from the open source Fuschia project, see link in
commit message of [1].
As being imported for external packages, the header file inherits
Fushca and OP-TEE notices.
The helper function can protect some data structure from side channel
attacks leveraging index indirect access overflows during speculative
execution.
It is not Arm copyright. It is BSD-3-Clause license.
I'll add an entry in the docs/license.rst for the file.
Where to locate the file?
It is ok to add such a file in include/common?
Does it deserve a specific lib path, like
include/lib/speculconfie_array_index.h?
Maybe add as include/lib/cpus/confine_array_index.h as it is CPU
speculative matters?
Could you help [1] review to progress?
[1] https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/4055
Regards,
Etienne
> On 6 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Heiko Stübner via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Walter,
>
> Am Freitag, 5. Juni 2020, 22:45:25 CEST schrieb Walter Lozano via TF-A:
>> I have noticed that default baudrate for rk3399 board RK3399_BAUDRATE
>> defined in plat/rockchip/rk3399/rk3399_def.h is 115200 while U-boot
>> default value and most documentation points to a value of 1500000 for
>> console.
>
> console baudrate on rk3399 differ a lot between boards. There are a
> number using the 1.5MHz and another big number using 115200
> (including but not limited to the ChromeOS devices from the Gru line).
>
> Hence we have the code that selects the actual baudrate from the
> devicetree attached by u-boot when calling TF-A.
>
> So I guess it should stay as it is right now.
On the RK3399 there are currently a couple of roadblocks preventing
this selection of the baudrate from the devicetree from working.
Firstly in U-Boot, SPL_ATF_NO_PLATFORM_PARAM is forced on when
selecting ROCKCHIP_RK3399 in Kconfig [1].
Secondly in TF-A the 64K buffer used to store the passed devicetree
isn't large enough to fit some of the RK3399 device tree blobs, as I
found when removing SPL_ATF_NO_PLATFORM_PARAM from U-Boot.
I guess the issue in TF-A needs to be fixed first before passing the
platform parameter can be enabled in U-Boot, I've submitted a TF-A
patch to increase the buffer size [2].
[1]: https://gitlab.denx.de/u-boot/u-boot/-/blob/61853a7ac7e167d90899ec4e99d2e07…
[2]: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/4512
> Heiko
>
>
>> This of course means that messages printed by ATF are not visible by
>> default in this context.
>>
>> The change from 1500000 to 115200 was introduced in
>> 0c05748bdebfad9fa43a80962186438bb8fbce62,
>>
>> https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/commit/?id=0c05…
>>
>> with the following message
>>
>> commit 0c05748bdebfad9fa43a80962186438bb8fbce62
>> Author: Caesar Wang <wxt(a)rock-chips.com>
>> Date: Tue Apr 19 20:42:17 2016 +0800
>>
>> rockchip: fixes for the required
>>
>> This patch has the following change for rk3399.
>>
>> * Set the uart to 115200 since the loader decide to set
>> uart baud to 115200Hz. So the ATF also should set uart baud to 115200.
>> [..]
>>
>> However, I'm not sure it this still applies.
>>
>> I'll be happy to submit a patch to update the value if it is OK.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Walter
>>
>>
>
>
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Hello,
Sorry for chiming in late. Are we sure that the msr/mrs to the GICv3 EOI
register is not a context synchronizing event or ensures ordering itself
? Also did the addition of DSB() fix the issue ? If yes, can you try
adding a delay or a few NOP's/dummy instructions or an ISB to see if the
issue goes away?
We need to know the right thing to do architecturally and confirm that
the issue is really due to reordering at the core before adding the DSB.
Adding a DSB might be masking a timing issue.
-Raghu
On 6/8/20 4:47 AM, Sandeep Tripathy via TF-A wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Soby Mathew [mailto:Soby.Mathew@arm.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 3:36 PM
>> To: Sandeep Tripathy; Olivier Deprez; tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
>> Cc: nd
>> Subject: RE: [TF-A] GICV3: system interface EOI ordering RFC
>>
>> Just some inputs from my side:
>> I agree we need at least a dsb() after the write to MMIO region to silence
>> the
>> peripheral and before the EOI at GIC sysreg interface. Adding it to the
>> GIC EOI
>
> Thanks for the confirmation. Now it’s about choosing the right place.
>
>> API seems the logical thing to do but as Olivier mentions, there are
>> interrupt
>> handler which do not deal with MMIO (eg: the Systimer interrupt) so adding
>> it
>> to GICv3 API might be arduous for such handlers.
>>
>> So there is a choice here to let the interrupt handlers to deal with
>> ensuring
>> completeness before EOI at sysreg interface or adding it to GICv3 EOI API
>> and
>> take the overhead for interrupt handlers which do not have to deal with
>> MMIO.
>>
>
> Yes I feel either of these is a must to guarantee functionality
> architecturally though
> both approach end up with some unnecessary overhead.
>
> If GICv3 api takes care then it is an overhead for some ISRs dealing with
> non-MMIO.
> At present I do not see an active use case in reference implementation where
> sys timer
> ISR is in a performance intensive path where one additional DSB will be
> perceivable.
> But there may be some I could be totally wrong in this assumption (pmu/debug
> or.. not sure).
> Whereas I can certainly imagine some MMIO ISRs in performance critical path
> where unnecessary
> DSB is not acceptable at all.
>
> If the interrupt handler needs to ensure then it will generically add 'DSB'
> as I think
> the driver cannot and should not make assumptions about how EOI is done
> afterwards.
> That will be overhead for the ISRs dealing with MMIO peripherals and non
> GIC-v3.
> If we consider only GICv3+ then good. Otherwise I would prefer the
> 'plat_ic_end_of_interrupt'
> like Olivier mentioned with a #if GICv3 instead of each ISRs dealing with
> it.
>
>> The GICv3 legacy MMIO CPU interface is deprecated for TF-A and the sys
>> interface is the only one GICv3 driver in TF-A supports.
>
> Right we can ignore the GICv3 legacy mode but GICv2 will still remain ?
>
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Soby Mathew
>>
>
> Thanks
> Sandeep
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Sandeep
>>> Tripathy via TF-A
>>> Sent: 08 June 2020 10:34
>>> To: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>; tf-
>> a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
>>> Subject: Re: [TF-A] GICV3: system interface EOI ordering RFC
>>>
>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Olivier Deprez [mailto:Olivier.Deprez@arm.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 1:14 PM
>>>> To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Sandeep Tripathy
>>>> Subject: Re: [TF-A] GICV3: system interface EOI ordering RFC
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>
>>>> gicv3_end_of_interrupt_sel1 is a static access helper macro. Its
>>>> naming precisely tells what it does at gicv3 module level. It is
>>>> called from
>>> the weak
>>>> plat_ic_end_of_interrupt function for BL32 image.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to think it is the driver responsibility to ensure the module
>>> interrupt
>>>> acknowledge register write is reaching HW in order (or "be visible to
>>> all
>>>> observers").
>>>
>>> The driver should be agnostic of what interrupt controller is used and
>>> its
>>> behavior.
>>> And since 'all' writes were to mmio ranges mapped Device(nGnRE)
>>> /strongly-ordered(nGnRnE)
>>> there was no such need. This is a special case for GICv3 system
>>> interface only.
>>> Adding at driver level a DSB is unnecessary for other interrupt
>>> controllers.
>>>
>>>> Also I suspect adding a dsb might not be required generically for all
>>> kind of IP.
>>>
>>> Here are you referring to the peripheral IP or interrupt controller IP ?
>>> The issue is reordering at arm core itself (STR to device address Vs
>>> msr(sysreg
>>> write)).
>>> So I think Its applicable for all IP.
>>>
>>>> Adding a barrier in generic code might incur an unnecessary
>>>> bottleneck.
>>>
>>> But if there is a need to *ensure* presence of at least one DSB between
>>> the
>>> write transfer from core to device clear and gicv3 eoi icc register
>>> write in a
>>> generic way then what other option we have.
>>>>
>>>> Thus wouldn't it be better to add the barrier to the overridden
>>>> platform function rather than in generic gicv3 code?
>>>
>>> That can be done but I feel this is more to do with gicv3 system
>>> interface only.
>>> Inside plat_xxx one has to check #if GICV3 ...and system interface.
>>>>
>>>> I have a put a comment in the review, we can continue the discussion
>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Olivier.
>>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sandeep
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of
>>>> Sandeep Tripathy via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
>>>> Sent: 05 June 2020 19:43
>>>> To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
>>>> Subject: [TF-A] GICV3: system interface EOI ordering RFC
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> In a typical interrupt handling sequence we do 1-Read IAR
>>>> 2-Do interrupt handling
>>>> 3-Clear the interrupt at source , so that the device de-asserts IRQ
>>> request to
>>>> GIC
>>>> >> I am suggesting a need of DSB here in case of GICv3 +.
>>>> 4-Write to GIC cpu interface to do EOI.
>>>>
>>>> Till GICv2 and with GICv3 legacy interface ICC_EOI write is a write
>>>> over
>>> AMBA
>>>> interface. The
>>>> Addresses are mapped with (nR) attribute. Hence the write transfers
>>> from the
>>>> core will be
>>>> generated at step 3 and 4 in order. Please ignore the additional
>>> buffers/bridges
>>>> in path from
>>>> core till peripheral which has to be dealt separately as per SOC.
>>>>
>>>> Query: I understand GICv3 system interface accesses are not over this
>>> protocol
>>>> and core will not
>>>> follow the ordering rule ?
>>>>
>>>> I have observed spurious interrupt issue/manifestation ( I don't have
>>> the
>>>> transfers probed) in
>>>> RTOS environment where I have a primitive GICv3 driver but I wonder
>>>> why things does not fail in Linux or tf-a. If it is working because
>>>> from step(3) to
>>> step(4) we have
>>>> barriers by chace
>>>> due to other device register writes then I would suggest to have one
>>>> in
>>> the EOI
>>>> clearing API itself.
>>>>
>>>> RFC:
>>> https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/4454
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sandeep
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soby Mathew [mailto:Soby.Mathew@arm.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 3:36 PM
> To: Sandeep Tripathy; Olivier Deprez; tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Cc: nd
> Subject: RE: [TF-A] GICV3: system interface EOI ordering RFC
>
> Just some inputs from my side:
> I agree we need at least a dsb() after the write to MMIO region to silence
> the
> peripheral and before the EOI at GIC sysreg interface. Adding it to the
> GIC EOI
Thanks for the confirmation. Now it’s about choosing the right place.
> API seems the logical thing to do but as Olivier mentions, there are
> interrupt
> handler which do not deal with MMIO (eg: the Systimer interrupt) so adding
> it
> to GICv3 API might be arduous for such handlers.
>
> So there is a choice here to let the interrupt handlers to deal with
> ensuring
> completeness before EOI at sysreg interface or adding it to GICv3 EOI API
> and
> take the overhead for interrupt handlers which do not have to deal with
> MMIO.
>
Yes I feel either of these is a must to guarantee functionality
architecturally though
both approach end up with some unnecessary overhead.
If GICv3 api takes care then it is an overhead for some ISRs dealing with
non-MMIO.
At present I do not see an active use case in reference implementation where
sys timer
ISR is in a performance intensive path where one additional DSB will be
perceivable.
But there may be some I could be totally wrong in this assumption (pmu/debug
or.. not sure).
Whereas I can certainly imagine some MMIO ISRs in performance critical path
where unnecessary
DSB is not acceptable at all.
If the interrupt handler needs to ensure then it will generically add 'DSB'
as I think
the driver cannot and should not make assumptions about how EOI is done
afterwards.
That will be overhead for the ISRs dealing with MMIO peripherals and non
GIC-v3.
If we consider only GICv3+ then good. Otherwise I would prefer the
'plat_ic_end_of_interrupt'
like Olivier mentioned with a #if GICv3 instead of each ISRs dealing with
it.
> The GICv3 legacy MMIO CPU interface is deprecated for TF-A and the sys
> interface is the only one GICv3 driver in TF-A supports.
Right we can ignore the GICv3 legacy mode but GICv2 will still remain ?
>
> Best Regards
> Soby Mathew
>
Thanks
Sandeep
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of Sandeep
> > Tripathy via TF-A
> > Sent: 08 June 2020 10:34
> > To: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>; tf-
> a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> > Subject: Re: [TF-A] GICV3: system interface EOI ordering RFC
> >
> > Hi Olivier,
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Olivier Deprez [mailto:Olivier.Deprez@arm.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 1:14 PM
> > > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Sandeep Tripathy
> > > Subject: Re: [TF-A] GICV3: system interface EOI ordering RFC
> > >
> > > Hi Sandeep,
> > >
> > > gicv3_end_of_interrupt_sel1 is a static access helper macro. Its
> > > naming precisely tells what it does at gicv3 module level. It is
> > > called from
> > the weak
> > > plat_ic_end_of_interrupt function for BL32 image.
> > >
> > > I tend to think it is the driver responsibility to ensure the module
> > interrupt
> > > acknowledge register write is reaching HW in order (or "be visible to
> > all
> > > observers").
> >
> > The driver should be agnostic of what interrupt controller is used and
> > its
> > behavior.
> > And since 'all' writes were to mmio ranges mapped Device(nGnRE)
> > /strongly-ordered(nGnRnE)
> > there was no such need. This is a special case for GICv3 system
> > interface only.
> > Adding at driver level a DSB is unnecessary for other interrupt
> > controllers.
> >
> > > Also I suspect adding a dsb might not be required generically for all
> > kind of IP.
> >
> > Here are you referring to the peripheral IP or interrupt controller IP ?
> > The issue is reordering at arm core itself (STR to device address Vs
> > msr(sysreg
> > write)).
> > So I think Its applicable for all IP.
> >
> > > Adding a barrier in generic code might incur an unnecessary
> > > bottleneck.
> >
> > But if there is a need to *ensure* presence of at least one DSB between
> > the
> > write transfer from core to device clear and gicv3 eoi icc register
> > write in a
> > generic way then what other option we have.
> > >
> > > Thus wouldn't it be better to add the barrier to the overridden
> > > platform function rather than in generic gicv3 code?
> >
> > That can be done but I feel this is more to do with gicv3 system
> > interface only.
> > Inside plat_xxx one has to check #if GICV3 ...and system interface.
> > >
> > > I have a put a comment in the review, we can continue the discussion
> > there.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Olivier.
> > >
> > Thanks
> > Sandeep
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: TF-A <tf-a-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of
> > > Sandeep Tripathy via TF-A <tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> > > Sent: 05 June 2020 19:43
> > > To: tf-a(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> > > Subject: [TF-A] GICV3: system interface EOI ordering RFC
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > In a typical interrupt handling sequence we do 1-Read IAR
> > > 2-Do interrupt handling
> > > 3-Clear the interrupt at source , so that the device de-asserts IRQ
> > request to
> > > GIC
> > > >> I am suggesting a need of DSB here in case of GICv3 +.
> > > 4-Write to GIC cpu interface to do EOI.
> > >
> > > Till GICv2 and with GICv3 legacy interface ICC_EOI write is a write
> > > over
> > AMBA
> > > interface. The
> > > Addresses are mapped with (nR) attribute. Hence the write transfers
> > from the
> > > core will be
> > > generated at step 3 and 4 in order. Please ignore the additional
> > buffers/bridges
> > > in path from
> > > core till peripheral which has to be dealt separately as per SOC.
> > >
> > > Query: I understand GICv3 system interface accesses are not over this
> > protocol
> > > and core will not
> > > follow the ordering rule ?
> > >
> > > I have observed spurious interrupt issue/manifestation ( I don't have
> > the
> > > transfers probed) in
> > > RTOS environment where I have a primitive GICv3 driver but I wonder
> > > why things does not fail in Linux or tf-a. If it is working because
> > > from step(3) to
> > step(4) we have
> > > barriers by chace
> > > due to other device register writes then I would suggest to have one
> > > in
> > the EOI
> > > clearing API itself.
> > >
> > > RFC:
> > https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/4454
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sandeep
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