Hi Joakim
Firstly, the meeting is tomorrow, not today - I'm not sure if that changes your attendance?!
I agree the SDL could be an interesting topic, however if we discuss this tomorrow, the Arm attendees would only be expressing personal opinions as we haven't yet had time to discuss this properly within Arm.
I haven't seen a deadline for my disclosure policy either but I just proposed one in my other mail. We can discuss more tomorrow.
I guess we can check if anyone has anything TSC level to say about OP-TEE, though I can't think of anything specific myself.
Regards
Dan.
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Subject: Re: [TF-TSC] TSC Agenda 11 Jul 2019
Hi Abhishek,
I'm unable to attend today's meeting, but Tim Benton talked to Linaro about SDL (Security Development Lifecycle). That could be an interesting topic to discuss at some point. I.e., figure out if and how that would work with TF project(s). I think we also aimed for having a deadline for reviewing Dan's disclosure policy, however I cannot recall that I've actually seen such a deadline, did I miss it? Third thing, the board voted yes for transferring OP-TEE to TF. In board context I already have pending actions. But there might be something to discuss on TSC level also related to that.
But, as said, I'm unable to attend today, so I leave it up to you whether you'd like to discuss any of my suggestions here.
Regards,
Joakim
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 at 08:00, Abhishek Pandit via TSC <tsc(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org<mailto:tsc@lists.trustedfirmware.org>> wrote:
Hi All,
Any agenda items for the next TSC meeting?
Thanks,
Abhishek
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Hi TF TSC
This is a v0.3 update to the proposed tf.org security incident handling process, which I sent previously, incorporating the comments I've had since then.
Changes:
* Changed ESS 1 day response window to be from date of notification, not from date of fix availability.
* Restored the 7 days embargo limit with 14 days in exceptional cases, to align with kernel process.
* Explicitly stated that it is permitted to point others to a public vulnerability fix during an embargo period, as long as this is not identified as a vulnerability.
I propose that the deadline for feedback is the end of next week (19th July), with a view to approving the process at the August TSC meeting. We can discuss this more at tomorrow's TSC meeting.
Regards
Dan.
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This security incident handling process proposal is broadly based on the kernel process [1], with influence from the existing TF-A [2] and OP-TEE [3] processes.
[DH: Note the contrast with the kernel process: mailto:security@kernel.org is exclusively about fixing the vulnerability; disclosure is delegated to mailto:linux-distros@vs.openwall.org [4]. This proposal combines these activities.]
Reporting
=========
If you think you have found a security vulnerability, then please send an email to the Trusted Firmware security team at mailto:security@trustedfirmware.org. This is a private team of security officers who will help verify the security vulnerability, develop and release a fix, and disclose the vulnerability details responsibly. Please give us time to implement the disclosure plan described in the next section before going public. We do our best to respond and fix any issues as soon as possible.
As with any bug, the more information you provide, the easier it is to diagnose and fix. If you already have a fix, please include it with your report, as that can speed up the process considerably. Any exploit code is very helpful. The security team may bring in extra help from area maintainers to understand and fix the vulnerability. The security team may share any information you provide with trusted third parties and eventually the public unless you request otherwise.
[DH: Note, mailto:security@kernel.org provides stronger confidentiality guarantees because it is only interested in fixes, not disclosure. In practice, I'd expect members of the security team to be sensitive with confidential information as with any other open source interactions, and to get explicit approval from the reporter for disclosure of sensitive information, e.g. identity, organization, product information,...]
You may use this PGP/GPG key [insert link] for encrypting the vulnerability information. This key is also available at http://keyserver.pgp.com and LDAP port 389 of the same server. The fingerprint for this key is:
[Insert Fingerprint]
If you would like replies to be encrypted, please provide your public key. Please note the Trusted Firmware security team cannot guarantee that encrypted information will remain encrypted when shared with trusted third parties.
[DH: Is this acceptable? It allows reporters to use encryption without adding too much admin burden on the security team. The alternative is to force everyone receiving embargoed information to provide an encryption key and decrypt/re-encrypt as information is passed around. I think this adds too much overhead without significant security benefit.]
If the security team consider the bug not to be a security vulnerability, you will be informed and the bug directed to the standard bug fixing process.
Disclosure
==========
The general security vulnerability disclosure plan is as follows:
1. For confirmed security vulnerabilities, develop a robust fix as soon as possible. During this time, information is only shared with the reporter, those needed to develop the fix and Especially Sensitive Stakeholders (ESSes). See the "ESS and Trusted Stakeholder registration" section below for more information about ESSes.
2. After a robust fix becomes available, our preference is to publicly release it as soon as possible. This will automatically happen if the vulnerability is already publicly known. However, release may be deferred if the reporter or an ESS requests it within 1 calendar day of being notified, and the security team agree the criticality of the vulnerability requires more time. The requested deferral period should be as short as possible, up to 7 calendar days after the fix becomes available, with an exceptional extension to 14 calendar days. The only valid reason for release deferral is to accommodate deployment of the fix by ESSes. If it is immediately clear that ESSes are unaffected by the vulnerability then this stage is skipped. This 0-14 day deferral is the primary embargo period.
[DH: Note, this stage is only relevant for TF-A currently.]
[DH: Note, this assumes that ESS security teams operate 7 days a week.]
3. After the primary embargo period, the fix and relevant vulnerability information are shared with registered Trusted Stakeholders (see below section). Fix release may be deferred further if a Trusted Stakeholder requests it within 1 working day (Monday to Friday) of being notified, and the security team agree the criticality of the vulnerability requires more time. The requested deferral period should be as short as possible, up to 7 calendar days after the Trusted Stakeholder is notified, with an exceptional extension to 14 days. The only valid reason for further release deferral is to accommodate deployment of the fix by a Trusted Stakeholder. This further 1-14 day deferral is the secondary embargo period.
Note, security fixes contain the minimum information required to fix the bug. The accompanying vulnerability details are disclosed later.
[DH: Note, the Trusted Stakeholder required response time is slightly relaxed compared to the ESS response time; 1 working day as oppose to 1 calendar day.]
[DH: Note, this aggressive release of security fixes is aligned with the kernel process. The existing TF-A process allows for early release of fixes, which we generally do in practice, but that process doesn't really specify a fix embargo period. However it does specify a 4 week embargo on the subsequent security advisory. Also note that OP-TEE's fix embargo period is 90 days, which is aligned with Google's policy.]
4. After the fix is released, details of the security vulnerability are consolidated into a security advisory. This includes a CVE number and the security team will request one if not already done by the reporter. It also includes credit to the reporter unless they indicate otherwise. Drafts of the security advisory are circulated with the reporter, ESSes and Trusted Stakeholders as they become available.
[DH: Note, the existing TF-A process only shares information with Trusted Stakeholders in the form of security advisories. This proposal is more aligned with the kernel process and means we can focus on fix development by sharing raw vulnerability information in the early stages.]
5. 90 days after the vulnerability was reported, the security advisory is made public at https://www.trustedfirmware.org/. This 90 day window is the public embargo period.
[DH: This public embargo period aligns with Google and OP-TEE processes, although this proposal releases fixes earlier.]
In exceptionally rare cases, the above disclosure plan may be extended in consultation with the reporter, ESSes and Trusted Stakeholders, for example if it is very difficult to develop or deploy a fix, or wider industry consultation is needed.
[DH: I'm accommodating for the Spectre/Meltdown case here]
Handling embargoed information
==============================
On receipt of embargoed information, you must not disclose any of the provided information beyond the group of people in your organization that need to know about it. During the primary and secondary embargo periods, that group of people should be limited to those entrusted to assess the impact of the vulnerability on your organization and deploy fixes to your products. After the secondary embargo period but during the public embargo period, that group of people may be expanded in order to prepare your organization's public response. The embargoed information must not be shared outside your organization during the public embargo period under any circumstances. It is permitted to point others to a public vulnerability fix during an embargo period, as long as this is not identified as a vulnerability.
If you think another individual/organization requires access to the embargoed information, then please ask them to register as a Trusted Stakeholder (see next section). If you believe there has been a leak of embargoed information then please notify the security team immediately.
[DH: This section is stronger than the existing TF-A and OP-TEE processes, but not as strong as the linux distros policy [4]. I hope I've struck the right balance here.]
The security team welcomes feedback on embargoed information at any time.
ESS and Trusted Stakeholder registration
========================================
[DH: This is broadly based on the OP-TEE policy.]
The security team maintains a vetted list of organizations and individuals who are considered ESSes and Trusted Stakeholders of Trusted Firmware security vulnerabilities. Contact <mailto:security@trustedfirmware.org> if you wish to be added to one of the lists, providing the following information:
1. Which list you want to be on. This will almost always be the Trusted Stakeholder list.
2. A justification of why you should be on the list. That is, why you should know about security vulnerabilities and have access to security fixes before they are made public. A valid reason to be on the Trusted Stakeholder list for example, is that you use Trusted Firmware in a deployed product. The ESS list is strictly limited to those organizations with large scale deployments of Trusted Firmware that provide bare-metal access on multi-tenancy systems.
3. An organization email address (not gmail, yahoo or similar addresses). It is preferable for each organization to provide an email alias that you can manage yourselves rather than providing a long list of individual addresses.
4. Confirmation that the individuals in your organization will handle embargoed information responsibly as described in the previous section.
Note, the security team reserves the right to deny registration or revoke membership to the Trusted Stakeholders list, for example if it has concerns about the confidentiality of embargoed information.
[DH: Note, becoming a Trusted Stakeholder in the current TF-A process requires having a valid NDA with Arm and requesting to be added via Arm account management. I propose that Arm send a mail to all existing stakeholders to invite them to register for the new process.]
[DH: Note, I expect each TF project to maintain its own ESS/Trusted Stakeholder lists.]
[DH: Note, I've not included severity scoring in this proposal, as I think the only value of a score is helping to determine whether a bug is a security vulnerability or not, which in the end has a subjective element. I'm open to the idea of adding this to the process but I'd prefer it to be optional and aligned with CVSSv3 as used by CVE.]
[1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/security-bugs.html
[2] https://git.trustedfirmware.org/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a.git/about/docs/secu…
[3] https://optee.readthedocs.io/general/disclosure.html
[4] https://oss-security.openwall.org/wiki/mailing-lists/distros#how-to-use-the…
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Hi Abhishek,
I'm unable to attend today's meeting, but Tim Benton talked to Linaro about
SDL (Security Development Lifecycle). That could be an interesting topic to
discuss at some point. I.e., figure out if and how that would work with TF
project(s). I think we also aimed for having a deadline for reviewing Dan's
disclosure policy, however I cannot recall that I've actually seen such a
deadline, did I miss it? Third thing, the board voted yes for transferring
OP-TEE to TF. In board context I already have pending actions. But there
might be something to discuss on TSC level also related to that.
But, as said, I'm unable to attend today, so I leave it up to you whether
you'd like to discuss any of my suggestions here.
Regards,
Joakim
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 at 08:00, Abhishek Pandit via TSC <
tsc(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Any agenda items for the next TSC meeting?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Abhishek
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Hi,
Slides that I presented in the last TSC meeting attached, happy to answer further questions.
Thanks,
Ashu
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Hi,
Here are the minutes from the TSC call last week. Please let me know any
additions or corrections.
Best regards
Bill
Attendees
AbhishekP - Arm
DavidB - Linaro
MarkG - TI
VickyJ - Linaro
EricF - ST
BillM - TI
ChristianD -Cypress
JoakimB - Linaro
JuliusW - Google
AshutoshS - Arm
Agenda
Pending action items
PSA L2 update for TF-M. Ashutosh Singh (Arm) will be joining to present.
Couple of misc items.
Documentation hosting on ReadTheDocs.
Gerrit hooks to inform specific maintainers of submitted patches.
AOB
Notes
Pending action items
AP: Any specific input on security reporting. Otherwise please raise with
Dan on email.
JB: Have a few points but will raise by mail.
AP: By mid-July meeting should try to reach Beta level
AP: Coding guidelines patch
EF: Should hopefully be next week
AP: Static analysis and functional safety - please could everyone think
about this. Both TF teams are doing static analysis.
JB: Functional safety came up in BKK19 - MISRA C
AP: TSC Members - some members have not identified.
May need to have invitation-only closed discussions
CD: OP-TEE is going to add an extra row to the matrix of interest
Representative discussion: Proposal generally agreed - 2 reps, expertise
partitioned as member company desired. Ideally designated primary and
secondary, either but not both can vote.
PSA L2 update for TF-M
AS: For v8m, isolation is through hardware. For dual cpu cortex-m each side
has separate interrupts and no leakage of information through interrupts
JB: Not much information in the document 18/19 pages. Interested in 5.6.
What is the list of supported crypto expected.
AS: Has not been listed. Should support the crypto currently used in TF-M
DB: Secure storage TBD?
AS: Crypto shouldn’t allow visibility of the key for secure storage. Have
to close this. Action item later in slides.
JB: Who is ‘The Lab’ in the slides?
AS: 6-7 around the world. Partners have already gone for level 1
certification. Link here:
https://www.psacertified.org/security-certification/test-labs/
EF: Foresee any work on mcuboot?
AS: Have a fork in TF-M. Can’t comment on open source project.
EF: Wondering if TF-M and upstream fork could converge
AP: Could happen. Need to look at what it would take. DavidB discussing
with TF-M team.
JB: Any plans to do (external) security audits
AP: Only in early stages. Who would be interested?
JB, DB
AP: Action: AP will contact JB., DB before next TSC about audits
Documentation hosting on ReadTheDocs.
AP: Agreed to do this. Joakim has demonstrated how to do this. Free option?
JB: Works fine.
AP: Any objection from TSC? Otherwise will raise the request to Linaro
infrastructure to publish from Gerrit.
JB: Ad free - as low as $5. Commercial support is $50-150/month.
JW: Do we need an external service? Can we just run Sphinx? Since already
asking for engineering effort.
DB: Doubt to be able to do it for $5/month
Action Bill to find out about cost of internal Sphinx hosting.
JW: Coreboot is already doing this. (docs.coreboot.org
<https://doc.coreboot.org/>)
DB: Can also look into what Zephyr are doing.
Gerrit hooks to inform specific maintainers of submitted patches.
AP: Just have to update some guidelines
AOB
MG: is there a longer term roadmap for e.g. Level 3?
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Hi Julius,
> On 13/06/2019, 18:58, "TSC on behalf of Julius Werner via TSC" <tsc-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org on behalf of tsc(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote:
>
> As a follow-up to what we just discussed in the meeting, here's how to
> set up email notifications on Gerrit:
>
> 1. Log in to review.trustedfirmware.org
> 2. Click on the little Settings gear on the top right (next to your name)
> 3. Scroll down to Notifications
> 4. Type the repo name (e.g. TF-A/trusted-firmware-a) into the Repo
> field (you have to wait for it to auto-complete and then select it,
> can't just copy&paste the full name in)
> 5. Type a search expression for things to monitor into the field on the right
> 6. Click Add
> 7. Repeat with as many expressions as you want to monitor
> 8. Select checkboxes for the events you want to monitor (e.g. I
> believe "Changes" just sends one email when it is first uploaded,
> "Patches" sends one for every new patch set)
> 9. Click Save Changes
>
> For the search expression I usually use something like
> path:"^plat/common/.*" or
> path:"^drivers/(arm/pl011|console|coreboot|delay_timer|gpio|ti).*" to
> monitor the subdirectories I'm interested in, but any valid Gerrit
> search expression works. You can try out the expression in the normal
> search field to make sure it detects all the changes you intended.
Thanks for the information, that's really useful :) I was aware of
project-specific notifications in general but had never noticed there
was a search filter to customize that further to specific files/directories!
As a number of people have asked about that in the past, I've captured
your instructions on the TF-A wiki here:
https://developer.trustedfirmware.org/w/tf_a/gerrit_notifications/
Regards,
Sandrine
I've heard back from the Zephyr infrastructure folks. It looks like the
Zephyr docs are hosted on an AWS instance. The docs are fetched each night,
and the docs regenerated. So it is automatic, but with possibly a one day
delay.
David
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 9:12 AM Abhishek Pandit via TSC <
tsc(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote:
> The agenda for today looks like -
>
>
>
> - Pending action items
> - PSA L2 update for TF-M. Ashutosh Singh (Arm) will be joining to
> present.
> - Couple of misc items.
> - Documentation hosting on ReadTheDocs.
> - Gerrit hooks to inform specific maintainers of submitted patches.
> - AOB
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Abhishek
>
>
>
> *From:* Abhishek Pandit
> *Sent:* 11 June 2019 23:13
> *To:* tsc(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> *Subject:* TSC Agenda 13 Jun 2019
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Any agenda items for the next TSC meeting?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Abhishek
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Hi Julius,
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 19:58, Julius Werner via TSC <
tsc(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> wrote:
> As a follow-up to what we just discussed in the meeting, here's how to
> set up email notifications on Gerrit:
>
> 1. Log in to review.trustedfirmware.org
> 2. Click on the little Settings gear on the top right (next to your name)
> 3. Scroll down to Notifications
> 4. Type the repo name (e.g. TF-A/trusted-firmware-a) into the Repo
> field (you have to wait for it to auto-complete and then select it,
> can't just copy&paste the full name in)
> 5. Type a search expression for things to monitor into the field on the
> right
> 6. Click Add
> 7. Repeat with as many expressions as you want to monitor
> 8. Select checkboxes for the events you want to monitor (e.g. I
> believe "Changes" just sends one email when it is first uploaded,
> "Patches" sends one for every new patch set)
> 9. Click Save Changes
>
> For the search expression I usually use something like
> path:"^plat/common/.*" or
> path:"^drivers/(arm/pl011|console|coreboot|delay_timer|gpio|ti).*" to
> monitor the subdirectories I'm interested in, but any valid Gerrit
> search expression works. You can try out the expression in the normal
> search field to make sure it detects all the changes you intended.
>
> I also inquired about the coreboot documentation setup. They just use
> a cron job to rebuild the documentation in regular intervals, which I
> think would probably suffice for Trusted Firmware as well. (But if we
> really need it the moment the patch is merged, we could probably find
> a way to kick it off from Jenkins as well.)
>
Yes, that's an alternative way of dealing with it and I agree that having
updates
on daily basis is for sure good enough. The thing to strive for is to avoid
the
need for having a person doing the updates manually, so yes, the cron-job
way
of dealing with the docs absolutely works fine.
// Regards
Joakim
>
> coreboot runs the documentation server in a docker instance, the setup
> files for that can be found at
>
> https://review.coreboot.org/cgit/coreboot.git/tree/util/docker/doc.coreboot…
> . If we're also using docker in our infrastructure, we could probably
> almost directly copy those. If not, it's still just one time setup of
> a few pip packages and running make in a cron job.
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