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by Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard

Hi Jérémy, Thanks for your question! Indeed, the context (de)serialization feature only support DTLS so far. We've added an enhancement request to our backlog to extend it to TLS: https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/4340 However, it may take some time before we get to it, as we're currently focused on preparing Mbed TLS 3.0. Also, this enhancement may very well turn out to be more complex that it might look initially: TLS is a reliable stream protocol (as opposed to DTLS which is an unreliable datagram protocol) and there will probably be some precautions to take and corner case to handle in order to make sure the full stream is preserved. If you or anyone else wants to open a PR for that, that would obviously help - though again, I'm afraid we'll have little review bandwidth until the end of June. (More generally, it's always a good idea to coordinate on the list before raising a large or complex PR.) Regards, Manuel. ________________________________ From: mbed-tls <mbed-tls-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of Jérémy Audiger via mbed-tls <mbed-tls(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Sent: 12 April 2021 18:39 To: mbed-tls(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <mbed-tls(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> Subject: [mbed-tls] TLS serialization Hi everyone, I'm currently trying to add the ability to serialize / deserialize a TLS security session using these APIs: * mbedtls_ssl_context_load() * mbedtls_ssl_context_save() I'm on TLS Server-side (so not talking about TLS Client here). After digging through the mailing list, I discovered this previous topic: https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/pipermail/mbed-tls/2020-April/000012.html and this Github repository: https://github.com/dimakuv/mbedtls-psk-example The scenario is the same here: using PSK with ciphersuite MBEDTLS_TLS_PSK_WITH_AES_128_CCM_8 Once the handshake is done, I'm able to serialize the TLS session with the patch attached to this email. After that I'm able to decrypt one incoming packet and encrypt one ongoing packet. So, almost everything is fine. But, when the TLS Server is receiving another message from the TLS Client (message sent in two fragments), the Server is able to decrypt the first fragment but not the second one, getting this error: ssl_msg.c:5475: 0x7f9aa803d288: => read ssl_msg.c:4029: 0x7f9aa803d288: => read record ssl_msg.c:2012: 0x7f9aa803d288: => fetch input ssl_msg.c:2167: 0x7f9aa803d288: in_left: 0, nb_want: 5 ssl_msg.c:2192: 0x7f9aa803d288: in_left: 0, nb_want: 5 ssl_msg.c:2195: 0x7f9aa803d288: ssl->f_recv(_timeout)() returned 5 (-0xfffffffb) ssl_msg.c:2215: 0x7f9aa803d288: <= fetch input ssl_msg.c:3763: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'input record header' (5 bytes) ssl_msg.c:3763: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: 17 03 03 00 41 ....A ssl_msg.c:3765: 0x7f9aa803d288: input record: msgtype = 23, version = [3:3], msglen = 65 ssl_msg.c:2012: 0x7f9aa803d288: => fetch input ssl_msg.c:2167: 0x7f9aa803d288: in_left: 5, nb_want: 70 ssl_msg.c:2192: 0x7f9aa803d288: in_left: 5, nb_want: 70 ssl_msg.c:2195: 0x7f9aa803d288: ssl->f_recv(_timeout)() returned 65 (-0xffffffbf) ssl_msg.c:2215: 0x7f9aa803d288: <= fetch input ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'input record from network' (70 bytes) ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: 17 03 03 00 41 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 27 9d 1a ....A........'.. ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0010: 50 14 ff e1 14 8c b0 f5 de 06 1c f0 43 5c a0 91 P...........C\.. ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0020: 46 23 3e 42 86 ed 3a 48 38 3d e8 b4 05 09 50 ac F#>B..:H8=....P. ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0030: 94 6b 9c fb c6 22 7b 46 62 e0 af 08 ab 60 50 3c .k..."{Fb....`P< ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0040: 6d c6 c8 7c cb 2c m..|., ssl_msg.c:1301: 0x7f9aa803d288: => decrypt buf ssl_msg.c:1414: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'additional data used for AEAD' (13 bytes) ssl_msg.c:1414: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 17 03 03 00 31 ............1 ssl_msg.c:1423: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'IV used' (12 bytes) ssl_msg.c:1423: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: db 70 01 4b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 .p.K........ ssl_msg.c:1424: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'TAG used' (8 bytes) ssl_msg.c:1424: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: 50 3c 6d c6 c8 7c cb 2c P<m..|., ssl_msg.c:1437: 0x7f9aa803d288: mbedtls_cipher_auth_decrypt() returned -25344 (-0x6300) ssl_msg.c:3900: 0x7f9aa803d288: ssl_decrypt_buf() returned -29056 (-0x7180) Between each emission or reception of the fragment, the TLS security context is loaded and saved into a database. The use case here is really interesting, it seems to work well except when I receive or emit a message split into multiple fragments. Something is lost during the session backup. Maybe an interesting thing to add is when I'm loading a TLS session from the database, I'm following these steps: * Load the session into a buffer from the database * Init a security session with mbedtls_ssl_init() and mbedtls_ssl_setup() * Load the session from the buffer with mbedtls_ssl_context_load() Since I'm not an expert of mbed TLS code, I would like to know if someone could help me investigate this issue. TLS serialization/deserialization could be interesting to be part of the mbed TLS library. Regards, Jérémy Audiger

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3.0 Proposal: remove 3DES ciphersuites

by Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard

Hi all, We'd like to completely remove support for 3DES TLS ciphersuites in Mbed TLS 3.0. Those ciphersuites are vulnerable to the Sweet32 attack and 3DES has been deprecated by NIST. If we remove them from Mbed TLS 3.0, they will remain available in Mbed TLS 2.16 and 2.x, the latter being supported until 3 years after 3.0 has been released. As usual, if for any reason you need support for 3DES TLS ciphersuites in Mbed TLS 3.0, please speak up now and let use know about your use case! More context can be found at https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/4367 Regards, Manuel.

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3.0 proposal: remove support for MD2, MD4, RC4, Blowfish and XTEA

by Ronald Cron

Hi, We consider removing the support for MD2, MD4, RC4, Blowfish and XTEA from Mbed TLS 3.0 (but the support will remain in the 2.16 and 2.2x LTS branches for the course of their lifetime). If you use one of those cryptographic primitives and think it should remain in Mbed TLS 3.0, please let us know and explain why. You can find more information in the following GitHub issue: https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/4084. Best regards, Ronald Cron.

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SSL session cache API in Mbed TLS 3.0

by Hanno Becker

Hi Mbed TLS enthusiasts, For Mbed TLS 3.0, we're considering to modify the API around SSL sessions and server-side SSL session caches as follows: 1) The mbedtls_ssl_session structure becomes opaque, that is, its layout, fields, size is not part of the API and thus not subject to any stability promises. Instances of mbedtls_ssl_session may only be accessed through public function API. At the time of writing, this is mainly mbedtls_ssl_session_load()/save() for session serialization and deserialization. In particular, user code requiring access to specific fields of mbedtls_ssl_session won't be portable without further adjustments, e.g. the addition of getter functions. If you access fields of mbedtls_ssl_session in your code and would like to retain the ability to do so, now is the time to speak up and let us know about your use case. 2) The SSL session cache API gets modified as proposed in https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/4333#issuecomment-820297322: int mbedtls_ssl_cache_get( void *data, unsigned char const *session_id, size_t session_id_len, mbedtls_ssl_session *dst_session ); int mbedtls_ssl_cache_set( void *data, unsigned char const *session_id, size_t session_id_len, mbedtls_ssl_session const *session ); In words: The session ID becomes an explicit parameter. This modification is necessary because the present session cache API requires custom implementations to peek into the mbedtls_ssl_session structure, at least to inspect the session ID. With the session ID being added as an explicit parameter, this is no longer necessary. We propose that custom session cache implementations treat mbedtls_ssl_session instances opaquely and only use them through the serialization and deserialization API mbedtls_ssl_session_load()/save(). The reason why the proposed API does not operate on serialized data directly is that this would enforce unnecessary copies. If you are using a custom SSL server-side session cache implementation which accesses fields other than the session ID and which can not be implemented based on session serialization, now is the time to speak up and let us know about your use case. Kind regards, Hanno

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3.0 proposal: remove support for Truncated HMAC

by Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard

Hi everyone, Truncated HMAC is a TLS extension that was originally created to reduce overhead in constrained environments. Nowadays, CCM-8 ciphersuites are an alternative that's superior both in terms of having even lower overhead and in terms of security. Consequently, recent RFCs have stated that the Truncated HMAC extensions must no longer be used. So, we would like to entirely remove support for this extension from Mbed TLS 3.0. (LTS branches would obviously retain support for it.) If you need support for Truncated HMAC extension in Mbed TLS 3.0, please speak up now! More context and details can be found in this github issue, which can also be used for discussion: https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/4341 Regards, Manuel.

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TLS serialization

by Jérémy Audiger

Hi everyone, I'm currently trying to add the ability to serialize / deserialize a TLS security session using these APIs: * mbedtls_ssl_context_load() * mbedtls_ssl_context_save() I'm on TLS Server-side (so not talking about TLS Client here). After digging through the mailing list, I discovered this previous topic: https://lists.trustedfirmware.org/pipermail/mbed-tls/2020-April/000012.html and this Github repository: https://github.com/dimakuv/mbedtls-psk-example The scenario is the same here: using PSK with ciphersuite MBEDTLS_TLS_PSK_WITH_AES_128_CCM_8 Once the handshake is done, I'm able to serialize the TLS session with the patch attached to this email. After that I'm able to decrypt one incoming packet and encrypt one ongoing packet. So, almost everything is fine. But, when the TLS Server is receiving another message from the TLS Client (message sent in two fragments), the Server is able to decrypt the first fragment but not the second one, getting this error: ssl_msg.c:5475: 0x7f9aa803d288: => read ssl_msg.c:4029: 0x7f9aa803d288: => read record ssl_msg.c:2012: 0x7f9aa803d288: => fetch input ssl_msg.c:2167: 0x7f9aa803d288: in_left: 0, nb_want: 5 ssl_msg.c:2192: 0x7f9aa803d288: in_left: 0, nb_want: 5 ssl_msg.c:2195: 0x7f9aa803d288: ssl->f_recv(_timeout)() returned 5 (-0xfffffffb) ssl_msg.c:2215: 0x7f9aa803d288: <= fetch input ssl_msg.c:3763: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'input record header' (5 bytes) ssl_msg.c:3763: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: 17 03 03 00 41 ....A ssl_msg.c:3765: 0x7f9aa803d288: input record: msgtype = 23, version = [3:3], msglen = 65 ssl_msg.c:2012: 0x7f9aa803d288: => fetch input ssl_msg.c:2167: 0x7f9aa803d288: in_left: 5, nb_want: 70 ssl_msg.c:2192: 0x7f9aa803d288: in_left: 5, nb_want: 70 ssl_msg.c:2195: 0x7f9aa803d288: ssl->f_recv(_timeout)() returned 65 (-0xffffffbf) ssl_msg.c:2215: 0x7f9aa803d288: <= fetch input ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'input record from network' (70 bytes) ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: 17 03 03 00 41 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 27 9d 1a ....A........'.. ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0010: 50 14 ff e1 14 8c b0 f5 de 06 1c f0 43 5c a0 91 P...........C\.. ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0020: 46 23 3e 42 86 ed 3a 48 38 3d e8 b4 05 09 50 ac F#>B..:H8=....P. ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0030: 94 6b 9c fb c6 22 7b 46 62 e0 af 08 ab 60 50 3c .k..."{Fb....`P< ssl_msg.c:3874: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0040: 6d c6 c8 7c cb 2c m..|., ssl_msg.c:1301: 0x7f9aa803d288: => decrypt buf ssl_msg.c:1414: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'additional data used for AEAD' (13 bytes) ssl_msg.c:1414: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 17 03 03 00 31 ............1 ssl_msg.c:1423: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'IV used' (12 bytes) ssl_msg.c:1423: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: db 70 01 4b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 .p.K........ ssl_msg.c:1424: 0x7f9aa803d288: dumping 'TAG used' (8 bytes) ssl_msg.c:1424: 0x7f9aa803d288: 0000: 50 3c 6d c6 c8 7c cb 2c P<m..|., ssl_msg.c:1437: 0x7f9aa803d288: mbedtls_cipher_auth_decrypt() returned -25344 (-0x6300) ssl_msg.c:3900: 0x7f9aa803d288: ssl_decrypt_buf() returned -29056 (-0x7180) Between each emission or reception of the fragment, the TLS security context is loaded and saved into a database. The use case here is really interesting, it seems to work well except when I receive or emit a message split into multiple fragments. Something is lost during the session backup. Maybe an interesting thing to add is when I'm loading a TLS session from the database, I'm following these steps: * Load the session into a buffer from the database * Init a security session with mbedtls_ssl_init() and mbedtls_ssl_setup() * Load the session from the buffer with mbedtls_ssl_context_load() Since I'm not an expert of mbed TLS code, I would like to know if someone could help me investigate this issue. TLS serialization/deserialization could be interesting to be part of the mbed TLS library. Regards, Jérémy Audiger

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3.0 proposal: remove support for TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1 and DTLS 1.0

by Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard

Hi everyone, The IETF has recently published RFC 8996, which formally deprecates TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1 and DTLS 1.0 (there is no DTLS 1.1). One of the stated goals of the RFC is to empower maintainers of (D)TLS stacks to remove them from their code base, reducing the maintenance cost and the attack surface at the same time. This RFC comes right during the time we're preparing a new major version, which is the only time we allow ourselves to remove features. We'd like to take advantage of this opportunity by entirely removing support for TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1 and DTLS 1.0 in Mbed TLS 3.0. (They would obviously stay in our long-term support branches.) If you find yourself needing support for these versions in Mbed TLS 3.0, now is the time to speak up! More details can be found in the following github issue: https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/4286 Feel free to discuss this issue on the list or on github, whatever's more convenient for you. Best regards, Manuel.

4 years, 5 months

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Mbed TLS 3.0 branching

by Dave Rodgman

Hello Mbed TLS users, As previously announced, we are going to switch the focus of Mbed TLS development onto the upcoming 3.0 release. * We have created the development_2.x branch, currently aligned with the tip of development * For the next two weeks, we will keep development and development_2.x in sync (daily) * On April 22, we will merge development_3.0 into development, and remove development_3.0 This means that after April 22: * development will contain API-breaking changes * new features will not normally be back-ported to development_2.x (unless there is a compelling reason to do so) * relevant bugfixes will be backported as normal Impact for users: * users of development should consider whether they should switch to using development_2.x * authors of PRs requiring backports may require an additional backport to development_2.x Regards Dave Rodgman

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3.0 proposal: remove MBEDTLS_CHECK_PARAMS

by Gilles Peskine

Hello, I propose to remove the MBEDTLS_CHECK_PARAMS feature from Mbed TLS 3.0. (As with everything else, it will of course remain in the 2.16 and 2.2x long-time support branches.) If you are using MBEDTLS_CHECK_PARAMS and you think it should remain, please let us know and explain why. If you are not using this feature, I personally think that you're making the right choice. But if you're curious what it is, you can read the documentation or my description in https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/4313 . -- Gilles Peskine Mbed TLS developer

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Re: [mbed-tls] mbedtls_hmac_drbg_seed fails, returns MBEDTLS_ERR_ENTROPY_SOURCE_FAILED

by Gilles Peskine

Hi Jeff, It looks like you're using an old version of Mbed TLS. mbedtls_hmac_drbg_seed used to set ctx->entropy_len to entropy_len * 3 / 2, but this changed (https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-crypto/pull/238) to making a call to mbedtls_entropy_func for entropy_len and then one again for entropy_len / 2, precisely to avoid the scenario you're describing where the HMAC_DRBG module would request more entropy than the entropy can deliver in a single call. Please upgrade to the latest release of Mbed TLS, or the latest 2.16 release if you want a long-time support branch. The version you're using is old and has known vulnerabilities. -- Gilles Peskine Mbed TLS developer On 06/04/2021 13:59, Thompson, Jeff via mbed-tls wrote: > > ï¿½ > > The call flow is mbedtls_hmac_drbg -> mbedtls_hmac_drbg_reseed -> > mbedtls_entropy_func where the parameter, len, is 48 and > MBEDTLS_ENTROPY_BLOCK_SIZE is 32. I see that mbedtls_hmac_drbg_seed > sets ï¿½ctx->entropy_len = entropy_len * 3 / 2, which explains the size > difference. Iï¿½ve probably mis-configured (see attached) in order to > use TLS-ECDHE-RSA-WITH-AES-128-CBC-SHA, because other ciphers take too > long. > > ï¿½ > > *Jeff Thompson*ï¿½| ï¿½Senior Electrical Engineer-Firmware > +1 704 752 6513 x1394 > www.invue.com <www.invue.com> > > ï¿½ > >

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