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Thanks Olivier. For NVIDIA, the main goal is to have the flexibility to use an out of tree toolchain and remove the hard dependency on the prebuilts folder. Internally, we have pruned the prebuilts to remove dtc, googletest too.
With vacations, we have not verified the latest patches - will test and report in a week.
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From: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
Sent: Monday, 3 January 2022 2:08 PM
To: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com
Cc: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
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Hi Bo, Raghu,
I knew this change would be a bit controversial :) We've had the following main queries:
1/ submodule(s) size is too large (see Varun's very first message in this thread). Starting with prebuilts, it turns out that llvm+gnu toolchains are top contributors. The mentioned change (on top of earlier clang migration changes) introduced the ability to remove a hard dependency to those toolchains.
2/ Ability to build on arm64 host. The change removes the compiler/linker/tools hard coded paths to the x86 prebuilt toolchain from the build system.
3/ toolchain is hardcoded to a fixed version and buried into the project along with sources. This fits developer habits but it is not suitable to a production environment.
Addressing few of the concerns below:
> The default built at the top of tree seems broken. Typing make does not work any more. I tried to export the clang path and I see issues with standard headers...docs/GettingStarted is incomplete?
This is the glitch I expected to happen when pulling latest changes. Hence the reason for the earlier heads up on the ML. Hopefully this recovers after cleaning the tree once, or restarting from a freshly cloned tree.
> I'm not sure I like the idea of removing the prebuilts. We need one tool chain that we know is supported and tested with to create reproducible builds.
ATM the CI still points to the hafnium prebuilt toolchain. Hence builds are still 'reproducible'. It could be proposed that the CI environment itself provides the toolchain.
> We can remove the dependency on the prebuilt in that it should be
> possible for someone to NOT require downloading the upstream tool
> chain if they want to use an alternate chain,
I get the idea, but we have two orthogonal asks (use an external toolchain and remove from prebuilts, or keep in prebuilt but clone conditionally). The .gitmodules does not provide this flexibility AFAIK.
I was thinking of using some partial clone command like below omitting prebuilts:
git submodule update --init driver/linux project/reference third_party/dtc third_party/googletest third_party/linux
(but this doesn't look great from an UX perspective).
> for reference platforms like FVP, the toolchain should be a part of
> the build
Not sure this is a hard dependency. Comparing with TF-A (or other firmware projects), the toolchain is certainly not held within the tree.
The developer or the CI environment provides the toolchain to build the project.
> The current method was ideal but it seems like some latest changes have broken the dev flow...
Ideal for a developer sticking to the provided fixed-version android-based prebuilt toolchain, and building on an x86 host.
Not ideal if one needs to build on arm64, or in a production build when hafnium is considered one component among many others within a (yocto-like) distribution.
> I agree on the point that keeping prebuilts brings benefits, but the build system should be flexible enough such that an out-of-tree toolchain can be easily selected.
This is what this first set of changes provide.
Regards,
Olivier.
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From: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>
Sent: 21 December 2021 00:45
To: raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com; Varun Wadekar; Olivier Deprez
Cc: 'Raghu Krishnamurthy via Hafnium'
Subject: RE: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
I agree on the point that keeping prebuilts brings benefits, but the build system should be flexible enough such that an out-of-tree toolchain can be easily selected.
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> From: raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com <raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 1:22 PM
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> 'Olivier Deprez' <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
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> Subject: RE: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Never mind. Sorry for the false alarm. Had to use make clobber( found
> out once I caught up on the email list...).
> Other comments about continuing to have a prebuilts directory like we
> have today still apply.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Raghu Krishnamurthy via Hafnium
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 1:08 PM
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> Add hafnium list.
>
> Fix for broken build at -
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> From: raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com <raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 12:51 PM
> To: 'Varun Wadekar' <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; 'Olivier Deprez'
> <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Cc: 'Bo Yan' <byan(a)nvidia.com>
> Subject: RE: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> The default built at the top of tree seems broken. Typing make does
> not work any more. I tried to export the clang path and I see issues
> with standard headers...docs/GettingStarted is incomplete?
> I'm not sure I like the idea of removing the prebuilts. We need one
> tool chain that we know is supported and tested with to create reproducible builds.
> We can remove the dependency on the prebuilt in that it should be
> possible for someone to NOT require downloading the upstream tool
> chain if they want to use an alternate chain, but for reference
> platforms like FVP, the toolchain should be a part of the build. The
> current method was ideal but it seems like some latest changes have broken the dev flow...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hafnium <hafnium-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of
> Varun Wadekar via Hafnium
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 7:58 AM
> To: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Thanks Olivier. Makes sense to me. We are deploying these changes to
> our build system. Will let you know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 3:32 PM
> To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
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> Hi Varun,
>
> I don't believe the prebuilt submodule would be fully removed. There
> are libraries and binaries required by the build in any case in the
> linux-aarch64 directory. I rather thought the toolchains within it
> might be removed. They are the main contributor in terms of disk space
> savings which is the problem if I understood properly.
>
> As an intermediate step, before removing the toolchain, I would like
> to confirm that you are able to switch to another toolchain and there
> is no longer a dependency to the toolchain stored in prebuilt.
>
> Regards,
> Olivier.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Sent: 17 December 2021 15:18
> To: Olivier Deprez
> Cc: Bo Yan; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: RE: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Thanks Olivier. We hit the toolchain changes yesterday and still
> navigating a course to enable it internally.
>
> When do you plan to remove the prebuilt submodule completely?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 12:00 PM
> To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
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>
> Hi Varun,
>
> Just a quick sync on what's been going since this last email.
>
> A number of changes have been made to:
> -remove the gcc dependency, hafnium now only requires clang to build.
> -ability to provide a toolchain different from the one stored in
> prebuilt submodule (merged yesterday) -migrated and tested with recent
> clang versions (was clang 9) -ability to build on arm64 host (our
> need)
>
> The prebuilt submodule still exists but the dependency to hardcoded
> toolchains has weakened.
>
> I intend to tell more about those recent changes and what remains
> during a tech forum early next year, among:
> -remove toolchains from prebuilt?
> -split the hypervisor and spmc test configs into separate project/*
> directories -lessen the dependency to other 3rd party projects
>
> Regards,
> Olivier.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Hafnium <hafnium-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of
> Olivier Deprez via Hafnium <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> Sent: 08 June 2021 16:00
> To: Varun Wadekar
> Cc: Bo Yan; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Hi Varun,
>
> As indicated earlier, we (Arm side) don't expect to progress on this
> front before Q3.
>
> I'm gathering requirements and expect to discuss through a short
> presentation later in a tech forum or the ML.
>
> Regards,
> Olivier.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Sent: 08 June 2021 15:21
> To: Arunachalam Ganapathy; Olivier Deprez
> Cc: Bo Yan; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: RE: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Thanks Arun. We have taken the same approach. The changes I posted
> earlier expect all dependencies to be out of tree and provide
> mechanisms to pass the locations to the make system during compilation.
>
> This is a real problem for us, and we would like a solution that works
> for the community too. @Olivier how should we move forward?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arunachalam Ganapathy <Arunachalam.Ganapathy(a)arm.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 2:08 PM
> To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; Olivier Deprez
> <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
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>
> Hi Varun,
>
> >> 1- First in context of Total Compute delivery from Arm OSS platforms:
> >> a. ability to build only the SPMC on TC0 platform (not all
> >> reference
> targets such as qemu, rpi4, fvp)
> >> b. use a Yocto provided toolchain.
> >> @Arun, your view on how those two items were solved is
> >> beneficial to
> further elaborate our plans.
>
> For Total Compute we wanted to skip cloning submodules (like
> driver/linux, linux,
> dtc) as only secure_hafnium.bin was required. Basically build only
> reference spm.
> Like: make PROJECT=reference_spm PLAT=TC this builds only secure
> hafnium for one platform.
>
> There were some efforts put on 1.a and was able to build reference_spm
> for one platform. But Hafnium build inside yocto forced to clone all
> submodules (due to dependencies on prebuilt toolchains), so the
> changes were dropped and also the changes weren't clean enough to be upstreamed.
> Regarding 1.b we didn't try hafnium build using yocto toolchain.
>
> Thanks,
> Arun
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 14:43
> To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; Olivier Deprez
> <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>; Arunachalam Ganapathy
> <Arunachalam.Ganapathy(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> Subject: RE: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Hi,
>
> >> @Arun, your view on how those two items were solved is beneficial
> >> to
> further elaborate our plans.
>
> @Arunachalam Ganapathy your comments on this topic would be very
> helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Varun Wadekar via Hafnium
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 1:49 PM
> To: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>;
> hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Arunachalam Ganapathy
> <Arunachalam.Ganapathy(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>
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>
> Hi Olivier,
>
> Thanks for answering my queries.
>
> We are looking to deploy the following use case at NVIDIA.
>
> <snip>
>
> -ability to build only the SPMC (not all reference targets such as
> qemu, rpi4,
> fvp) -A distribution only requiring the Hypervisor/SPMC output binary
> ("out/reference/.../hafnium.bin") using any toolchain (be it arm64 or
> x86 host, and arbitrary clang version).
>
> <snip>
>
> >> As you noticed, the Hafnium Hypervisor/SPMC and test environment
> builds are closely coupled by the use of ninja/gn flow and scripts. We
> intend to approach those problems in the course of Q3 in Arm OSS roadmap.
>
> [VW] Are there any local changes to decouple hafnium from its dependencies?
> We can evaluate Arm;s approach against what we use internally. Our
> changes moved the dependencies out of the tree and passed file
> locations to the build system with the help of command line arguments.
>
> -Varun
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 11:03 AM
> To: hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Varun Wadekar
> <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; Arunachalam Ganapathy
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>
> Hi Varun,
>
> We had similar requests raised internally.
> 1- First in context of Total Compute delivery from Arm OSS platforms:
> a. ability to build only the SPMC on TC0 platform (not all
> reference targets such as qemu, rpi4, fvp)
> b. use a Yocto provided toolchain.
> @Arun, your view on how those two items were solved is beneficial
> to further elaborate our plans.
> 2- A similar request as 1.b to build Hafnium as part of a distribution
> on
> arm64 host:
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> In my view there are two consumers:
> -A distribution only requiring the Hypervisor/SPMC output binary
> ("out/reference/.../hafnium.bin") using any toolchain (be it arm64 or
> x86 host, and arbitrary clang version).
> -The Hf CI framework/automation needs the above, plus the test
> framework and tests (dependency on googletest, linux submodules etc).
> It's important to keep this item alive while trying to solve above item.
>
> As you noticed, the Hafnium Hypervisor/SPMC and test environment
> builds are closely coupled by the use of ninja/gn flow and scripts.
> They are using a fixed toolchain version through prebuilts to ensure
> builds are "reproducible", in particular with regards to the Hafnium CI.
>
> We intend to approach those problems in the course of Q3 in Arm OSS
> roadmap.
> As an early exploration we already have:
> -clang 12 compiler upgrade. This is necessary if wiling to use any
> arbitrary clang version:
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> -Ability to build on arm64 host (done, internally).
> -Identify the flow/script changes such that external dependencies can
> be used (on-going, internally).
> I thought of localizing common dependencies to python/shell scripts by
> the use of definition files included in the mentioned scripts. This is
> only an early investigation, I will check how this intersects the changes you provided.
>
> Regards,
> Olivier.
>
>
>
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> Varun Wadekar via Hafnium <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
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> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>
> Subject: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Hi,
>
> We at NVIDIA are evaluating Hafnium. During the initial investigation,
> we found out that the repository size (in terms of MB) is huge. This
> is mostly because of the "git submodules" used by the project. This is
> a great way to deliver Hafnium with its dependencies in one go.
>
> But we think that the size can be trimmed by moving the toolchain,
> linux folder, googletest and dtc compiler out, leaving just the
> Hafnium code in the project. This way, companies like us can pick and
> choose instead of having to use everything. In a bid to ease the pain
> internally and only use the Hafnium code base we have crafted the following changes:
>
>
> 1. hafnium: support external projects (I10a07de3) * Gerrit Code
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> This series does not have the patch to use an out of tree linux
> codebase. I assume these patches wont be acceptable in their current
> state, so would like to know how the community plans to handle this situation.
>
> The code size is a real concern for us, as we already have copies of
> the dependencies in our codebase, so have no use for these duplicates.
>
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Can someone help me figure this out? I am trying to send a message from my
Linux primary VM to a secondary VM, but for some reason ffa_msg_send keeps
on failing and I keep getting an EAGAIN error: resource temporarily
unavailable.
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From: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
Sent: 03 January 2022 15:07
To: Bo Yan; raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com
Cc: Varun Wadekar
Subject: Re: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
Hi Bo, Raghu,
I knew this change would be a bit controversial :)
We've had the following main queries:
1/ submodule(s) size is too large (see Varun's very first message in this thread). Starting with prebuilts, it turns out that llvm+gnu toolchains are top contributors. The mentioned change (on top of earlier clang migration changes) introduced the ability to remove a hard dependency to those toolchains.
2/ Ability to build on arm64 host. The change removes the compiler/linker/tools hard coded paths to the x86 prebuilt toolchain from the build system.
3/ toolchain is hardcoded to a fixed version and buried into the project along with sources. This fits developer habits but it is not suitable to a production environment.
Addressing few of the concerns below:
> The default built at the top of tree seems broken. Typing make does not work any more. I tried to export the clang path and I see issues with standard headers...docs/GettingStarted is incomplete?
This is the glitch I expected to happen when pulling latest changes. Hence the reason for the earlier heads up on the ML. Hopefully this recovers after cleaning the tree once, or restarting from a freshly cloned tree.
> I'm not sure I like the idea of removing the prebuilts. We need one tool chain that we know is supported and tested with to create reproducible builds.
ATM the CI still points to the hafnium prebuilt toolchain. Hence builds are still 'reproducible'. It could be proposed that the CI environment itself provides the toolchain.
> We can remove the dependency on the prebuilt in that it should be possible for someone to NOT require downloading the upstream tool chain if they want to use an alternate chain,
I get the idea, but we have two orthogonal asks (use an external toolchain and remove from prebuilts, or keep in prebuilt but clone conditionally). The .gitmodules does not provide this flexibility AFAIK.
I was thinking of using some partial clone command like below omitting prebuilts:
git submodule update --init driver/linux project/reference third_party/dtc third_party/googletest third_party/linux
(but this doesn't look great from an UX perspective).
> for reference platforms like FVP, the toolchain should be a part of the build
Not sure this is a hard dependency. Comparing with TF-A (or other firmware projects), the toolchain is certainly not held within the tree.
The developer or the CI environment provides the toolchain to build the project.
> The current method was ideal but it seems like some latest changes have broken the dev flow...
Ideal for a developer sticking to the provided fixed-version android-based prebuilt toolchain, and building on an x86 host.
Not ideal if one needs to build on arm64, or in a production build when hafnium is considered one component among many others within a (yocto-like) distribution.
> I agree on the point that keeping prebuilts brings benefits, but the build system should be flexible enough such that an out-of-tree toolchain can be easily selected.
This is what this first set of changes provide.
Regards,
Olivier.
________________________________________
From: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>
Sent: 21 December 2021 00:45
To: raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com; Varun Wadekar; Olivier Deprez
Cc: 'Raghu Krishnamurthy via Hafnium'
Subject: RE: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
I agree on the point that keeping prebuilts brings benefits, but the build system should be flexible enough such that an out-of-tree toolchain can be easily selected.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com <raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 1:22 PM
> To: raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com; Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>;
> 'Olivier Deprez' <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; 'Raghu Krishnamurthy via Hafnium'
> <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> Subject: RE: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Never mind. Sorry for the false alarm. Had to use make clobber( found out
> once I caught up on the email list...).
> Other comments about continuing to have a prebuilts directory like we have
> today still apply.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hafnium <hafnium-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of
> Raghu Krishnamurthy via Hafnium
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 1:08 PM
> To: 'Varun Wadekar' <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; 'Olivier Deprez'
> <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Cc: 'Bo Yan' <byan(a)nvidia.com>; 'Raghu Krishnamurthy via Hafnium'
> <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> Subject: Re: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Add hafnium list.
>
> Fix for broken build at -
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com <raghu.ncstate(a)icloud.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 12:51 PM
> To: 'Varun Wadekar' <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; 'Olivier Deprez'
> <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Cc: 'Bo Yan' <byan(a)nvidia.com>
> Subject: RE: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> The default built at the top of tree seems broken. Typing make does not work
> any more. I tried to export the clang path and I see issues with standard
> headers...docs/GettingStarted is incomplete?
> I'm not sure I like the idea of removing the prebuilts. We need one tool chain
> that we know is supported and tested with to create reproducible builds.
> We can remove the dependency on the prebuilt in that it should be possible
> for someone to NOT require downloading the upstream tool chain if they
> want to use an alternate chain, but for reference platforms like FVP, the
> toolchain should be a part of the build. The current method was ideal but it
> seems like some latest changes have broken the dev flow...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hafnium <hafnium-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of
> Varun Wadekar via Hafnium
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 7:58 AM
> To: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Thanks Olivier. Makes sense to me. We are deploying these changes to our
> build system. Will let you know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 3:32 PM
> To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
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>
> Hi Varun,
>
> I don't believe the prebuilt submodule would be fully removed. There are
> libraries and binaries required by the build in any case in the linux-aarch64
> directory. I rather thought the toolchains within it might be removed. They
> are the main contributor in terms of disk space savings which is the problem
> if I understood properly.
>
> As an intermediate step, before removing the toolchain, I would like to
> confirm that you are able to switch to another toolchain and there is no
> longer a dependency to the toolchain stored in prebuilt.
>
> Regards,
> Olivier.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Sent: 17 December 2021 15:18
> To: Olivier Deprez
> Cc: Bo Yan; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: RE: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Thanks Olivier. We hit the toolchain changes yesterday and still navigating a
> course to enable it internally.
>
> When do you plan to remove the prebuilt submodule completely?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 12:00 PM
> To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
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>
>
> Hi Varun,
>
> Just a quick sync on what's been going since this last email.
>
> A number of changes have been made to:
> -remove the gcc dependency, hafnium now only requires clang to build.
> -ability to provide a toolchain different from the one stored in prebuilt
> submodule (merged yesterday) -migrated and tested with recent clang
> versions (was clang 9) -ability to build on arm64 host (our need)
>
> The prebuilt submodule still exists but the dependency to hardcoded
> toolchains has weakened.
>
> I intend to tell more about those recent changes and what remains during a
> tech forum early next year, among:
> -remove toolchains from prebuilt?
> -split the hypervisor and spmc test configs into separate project/* directories
> -lessen the dependency to other 3rd party projects
>
> Regards,
> Olivier.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Hafnium <hafnium-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of
> Olivier Deprez via Hafnium <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> Sent: 08 June 2021 16:00
> To: Varun Wadekar
> Cc: Bo Yan; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Hi Varun,
>
> As indicated earlier, we (Arm side) don't expect to progress on this front
> before Q3.
>
> I'm gathering requirements and expect to discuss through a short
> presentation later in a tech forum or the ML.
>
> Regards,
> Olivier.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Sent: 08 June 2021 15:21
> To: Arunachalam Ganapathy; Olivier Deprez
> Cc: Bo Yan; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: RE: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Thanks Arun. We have taken the same approach. The changes I posted
> earlier expect all dependencies to be out of tree and provide mechanisms to
> pass the locations to the make system during compilation.
>
> This is a real problem for us, and we would like a solution that works for the
> community too. @Olivier how should we move forward?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arunachalam Ganapathy <Arunachalam.Ganapathy(a)arm.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 2:08 PM
> To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; Olivier Deprez
> <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> Subject: Re: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
>
>
> Hi Varun,
>
> >> 1- First in context of Total Compute delivery from Arm OSS platforms:
> >> a. ability to build only the SPMC on TC0 platform (not all reference
> targets such as qemu, rpi4, fvp)
> >> b. use a Yocto provided toolchain.
> >> @Arun, your view on how those two items were solved is beneficial to
> further elaborate our plans.
>
> For Total Compute we wanted to skip cloning submodules (like driver/linux,
> linux,
> dtc) as only secure_hafnium.bin was required. Basically build only reference
> spm.
> Like: make PROJECT=reference_spm PLAT=TC this builds only secure hafnium
> for one platform.
>
> There were some efforts put on 1.a and was able to build reference_spm for
> one platform. But Hafnium build inside yocto forced to clone all submodules
> (due to dependencies on prebuilt toolchains), so the changes were dropped
> and also the changes weren't clean enough to be upstreamed.
> Regarding 1.b we didn't try hafnium build using yocto toolchain.
>
> Thanks,
> Arun
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 14:43
> To: Varun Wadekar <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; Olivier Deprez
> <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>; Arunachalam Ganapathy
> <Arunachalam.Ganapathy(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>; hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org
> <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> Subject: RE: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Hi,
>
> >> @Arun, your view on how those two items were solved is beneficial to
> further elaborate our plans.
>
> @Arunachalam Ganapathy your comments on this topic would be very
> helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hafnium <hafnium-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> On Behalf Of
> Varun Wadekar via Hafnium
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 1:49 PM
> To: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>;
> hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Arunachalam Ganapathy
> <Arunachalam.Ganapathy(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
>
>
> Hi Olivier,
>
> Thanks for answering my queries.
>
> We are looking to deploy the following use case at NVIDIA.
>
> <snip>
>
> -ability to build only the SPMC (not all reference targets such as qemu, rpi4,
> fvp) -A distribution only requiring the Hypervisor/SPMC output binary
> ("out/reference/.../hafnium.bin") using any toolchain (be it arm64 or x86
> host, and arbitrary clang version).
>
> <snip>
>
> >> As you noticed, the Hafnium Hypervisor/SPMC and test environment
> builds are closely coupled by the use of ninja/gn flow and scripts. We intend
> to approach those problems in the course of Q3 in Arm OSS roadmap.
>
> [VW] Are there any local changes to decouple hafnium from its dependencies?
> We can evaluate Arm;s approach against what we use internally. Our
> changes moved the dependencies out of the tree and passed file locations to
> the build system with the help of command line arguments.
>
> -Varun
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivier Deprez <Olivier.Deprez(a)arm.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 11:03 AM
> To: hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org; Varun Wadekar
> <vwadekar(a)nvidia.com>; Arunachalam Ganapathy
> <Arunachalam.Ganapathy(a)arm.com>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>
> Subject: Re: .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
>
>
> Hi Varun,
>
> We had similar requests raised internally.
> 1- First in context of Total Compute delivery from Arm OSS platforms:
> a. ability to build only the SPMC on TC0 platform (not all reference targets
> such as qemu, rpi4, fvp)
> b. use a Yocto provided toolchain.
> @Arun, your view on how those two items were solved is beneficial to
> further elaborate our plans.
> 2- A similar request as 1.b to build Hafnium as part of a distribution on
> arm64 host:
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeve
> loper.trustedfirmware.org%2FT898&data=04%7C01%7Cbyan%40nvidia.
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> In my view there are two consumers:
> -A distribution only requiring the Hypervisor/SPMC output binary
> ("out/reference/.../hafnium.bin") using any toolchain (be it arm64 or x86
> host, and arbitrary clang version).
> -The Hf CI framework/automation needs the above, plus the test framework
> and tests (dependency on googletest, linux submodules etc). It's important to
> keep this item alive while trying to solve above item.
>
> As you noticed, the Hafnium Hypervisor/SPMC and test environment builds
> are closely coupled by the use of ninja/gn flow and scripts.
> They are using a fixed toolchain version through prebuilts to ensure builds
> are "reproducible", in particular with regards to the Hafnium CI.
>
> We intend to approach those problems in the course of Q3 in Arm OSS
> roadmap.
> As an early exploration we already have:
> -clang 12 compiler upgrade. This is necessary if wiling to use any arbitrary
> clang version:
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> -Ability to build on arm64 host (done, internally).
> -Identify the flow/script changes such that external dependencies can be
> used (on-going, internally).
> I thought of localizing common dependencies to python/shell scripts by the
> use of definition files included in the mentioned scripts. This is only an early
> investigation, I will check how this intersects the changes you provided.
>
> Regards,
> Olivier.
>
>
>
> From: Hafnium <hafnium-bounces(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org> on behalf of
> Varun Wadekar via Hafnium <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> Sent: 28 May 2021 16:47
> To: hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org <hafnium(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org>
> Cc: Bo Yan <byan(a)nvidia.com>
> Subject: [Hafnium] .git submodules increase hafnium code size
>
> Hi,
>
> We at NVIDIA are evaluating Hafnium. During the initial investigation, we
> found out that the repository size (in terms of MB) is huge. This is mostly
> because of the "git submodules" used by the project. This is a great way to
> deliver Hafnium with its dependencies in one go.
>
> But we think that the size can be trimmed by moving the toolchain, linux
> folder, googletest and dtc compiler out, leaving just the Hafnium code in the
> project. This way, companies like us can pick and choose instead of having to
> use everything. In a bid to ease the pain internally and only use the Hafnium
> code base we have crafted the following changes:
>
>
> 1. hafnium: support external projects (I10a07de3) * Gerrit Code Review
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> 2. hafnium: build with dtc and googletest out of tree (I057c9ad6) * Gerrit
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> 3. build: support external toolchain (Iafd029c1) * Gerrit Code Review
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> This series does not have the patch to use an out of tree linux codebase. I
> assume these patches wont be acceptable in their current state, so would
> like to know how the community plans to handle this situation.
>
> The code size is a real concern for us, as we already have copies of the
> dependencies in our codebase, so have no use for these duplicates.
>
> Thanks.
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Hi all,
When data or instruction abort happens, Hafnium provides the esr_el2,
far, pc values and etc. I think this info is useful, but I want to
know how to debug with the PC value.
I know TF-A provides some dump files (e.g., bl31.dump). So, when some
panic or errors happen, I can locate the "bug instruction", its
functions, and other useful context quickly.
Will Hafnium provides similar dump files? If not, can we create them? How?
Sincerely,
Wang
